Can't get menu on Invisible

[Dorn]

This is my first time attempting to burn a DVD, so maybe I did something wrong on this.

I followed the Quick and Dirty DVD Backup Guid exactly as it says. When I put the DVD in my DVD player, it forced me to hit play and start playing the DVD, I couldn't access the menu screen at all. I put the burnt DVD in my computer DVD recorder and DVD player, and still no menu access anywhere.

Has anyone had problems with this, or is something wrong in the guide, or did I just maybe miss something somewhere in there?

[Dorn]

Actually, I have more problems it looks like. I was going through the movie and in the game against the Giants, there's a lot of sound and picture clipping and pixelation. If I watch the video in DVD Shrink, none of that is present.

[Dorn]

Ok, I redid the burning procedure and things are a little better. I'm still not getting the menu on my stand alone DVD player, but I can get the menu if I play the movie on the computer. Would this be my DVD players fault?

[Bjs]

A quick check is to load your dvd on the hd into pgcedit , and check the nav command's used ...

For a basic dvd , insert dvd > vmg > menu ... then



You may have nav command's listed that may not be fully compliant .

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"sound and picture clipping and pixelation"

If you have the original loaded from hd ... well of course it looks fine .
The more compression applied by dvdshrink , the more degradation in picture quality will occure .

As for other problem's .

Bad media quality ... verbatim becoming choice over all other's ... tdk dvd media is crap .
Burning too fast (stick with 4x)
Burning more than 4.3gig to dvd-r

Lack of update's : Your burner's bios ...

Using unsupported media dosent help ... some dvd home player's dont like +
Dvd player getting on , and being fussy reader ... clean the thing once in a while ...

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Not all pc dvd playback software is 100% acurate .

Nero showtime = yes
Koolplaya = yes
Powerdvd = no
windvd = no
avsdvdplayer = still testing , appear's ok .

Comparison's made by using ifoedit's error detection of poor nav command's during playback (not fo xp) .

[Dorn]

I'm not understanding the whole menu thing still. I made a backup of Snakes on a Plane, and again, no menu when I play it on my DVD player. However, Coach Carter did display a menu when I made a backup of that. On all three DVDs now, I can access the menu on the computer. Is there a clear tutorial regarding this somewhere?

[Bjs]

The problem come's down to the tool's involved .

From what I heard there had been an issue with ripit4me that had been fixed , which might be why this has happened .

Dvd's follow particular authoring standards ... but the nav command's used with menu's are another thing .
They come in two forms .

The simple , and the complex , depending on what's been included .

A complex title would be madagasca ... not sure it that's spelt right ... but it include's a dvd game with the penguin's , and several "drawing a character" chapter's .

The navigational method's used , esspecially those within the menu's are comprehensive and complex .

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Then we come down to poor nav command choice's used within the authoring process ... while nav command's are the method of controling the dvd player's output ... some commands are not 100% compatable , as shown within pgcedit .

Nav command's show up in colour's in pgcedit ... some when click upon flash a colour ... other's dont because they are secondary command's used to change a preset value from one to another depending on the input chosen ... mostly menu choice's .

Blue , yellow , white are fine .
Red will not .
Pink coloured may or may not .

This is one possible cause as to why one player works ok , but another dosent , ie , hardware player vs pc software player ... dvd players follow basic standard's , but if those nav standard's stray off too far ... then the pc software player may be the only one capable of negotiating this issue ... where as the hardware player's dont .

This is why , thank's to pgcedit , it is now easy to renegotiate the nav command's prior to burning to media to check for possible issue's .

Just because one dvd playback software product on the pc say's all is fine ... you really need a minimum of two , too even guarantee it will work as expected .

This is why I use ifoedit's playback , it'll pickup any issue's ... you then fix them in pgcedit , and retest ... all's well , then you can burn it .
Unfortunately ifoedit has a habit of not working correctly under xp with sp2 , so that's why you need more than one pc software player .

Koolpaya , media player , avs dvd player ... there's a couple of other good freeware one's as well .

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As in previous post , open your dvd in pgcedit ... you can load from the dvd drive ... just ignore the error that it cannot make a backup ... you can then explore the starting nav command set ... just follow the nav's from the first play pgc , down to the menu for the actual title .

I normally set this as the default nav setup , less associated problem's , and the simplest working method ... I have seen other method's that dont work so well .

Just remember , you cannot make change's in pgcedit from a title loaded from the dvdrom , only from projects stored on the hard drive .

Only use this method to asses as to where the issue might be coming from as to why the menu is not loading by default .

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You might wish to check out dvdfab or pgcedit , plus the associated plugins and addon software .
I use the pgcedit method for the latest title's ... and the fact that it gose from rip to burn using freeware .

On a note , avs dvd player dose work as expected , and dose work with authored projects from hard drive ... another winner .

[Dorn]

So could I do what I've been doing following that guide, but between using DVDShrink then image burn go in and look at the shrink in PgcEdit? And how exactly will I know if it will end up going straight to the menu upon insertion of the disk looking at that program?

For example, I'm looking at the shrinked version of Snakes on a Plane in there right now. The first thing in the box on the left hand side if "VMG, First-Play PGC". On the main window on the right, that shows one command listed under pre-commands, which is "1 (JumpSS) Jump to VMGM PGC 10" When I click on that, the 10th command in the window on the left hand side flashes blue.