Firing a gun?

[Richie V]

Hello all,

Just a quick query about firing a gun:

The project I'm currently working on requires a fake gun to look like it's really being fired into the air. I've created the smoke, however having never seen/handled/fired a gun before I'm not sure where the smoke is ment to emit from? Below is a screenshot from the film, should the smoke emit from Point A or Point B? I'm aware that smoke might emit from the barrel too, but my priority is getting the 'top end' right. Please excuse my ignorance



Thanks in advance!

[glockjs]

point A


even though this is what a REAL handgun looks like

[Richie V]

Thanks glockjs

I forgot to mention that we don't see the gun being fired, we cut to it straight afterwards. My brain is currently a bit frazzled.

The gun you posted a pic of is a bit out of our price-range, and would get us a few months in prison!

[pantsonfire]

Cool picture.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

if you won't actually see the gun being fired, then as glockjs stated, the smoke will come out of point A, but nothing like what you see in his pic (in fact, very little smoke is visible in that photo, just the muzzle flash). It would be coming out in a rather lazy looking wisp.

actually a shit image, and once again, not a snub nosed revolver, but it kinda gets the gist

I realize that gun control laws are quite strict in the UK, but don't they have shooting ranges that you could go to and try one out for yourself?
Seeing it in movies and on TV is nothing like the real deal. As a bona-fide "gun nut", I can tell you that firing a hand gun is at the very least, a fascinating experience.

[glockjs]

yeah the pic i posted is basically what a compensated glock looks like when you fire it at night ^ ^ even though its just a quick flash that the eyes can barely catch anyways :/

for theatrics sake i'd say make it look kinda like the pic Xylob the Destroyer posted. otherwise in reality you really dont see any smoke at all :/

[Conquest10]

Having never fired an arm either, what is Point B for?

[canadateck]

Having never fired an arm either, what is Point B for?

I think you pull that Back to take the bullets out/put them in.

[glockjs]

tbh i've never shot a revolver in my life :O its been all semi auto. i think canadateck might have it right. mebbe capmaster will be along to confirm or deny he's old enough to know

[thecoalman]

On that particular firearm it appears that is what it is for, you pull it forward and it releases the revolver allowing you to unload and reload. Some have a similar mechanism for discharging individual shells. the revolver part is stationary. You rotate it and discharge and reload each shell individually one at a time.

[ZAPPER]

Point "B" depends on the make and model of the gun. Either it does just as coalman posted or the entire cylinder swings out or is completely removed, and usually the rod that is "B" is like a plunger that helps eject the spent rounds.

I got to add that the smoke is not really the most dramatic part of a gunshot, but it has been used just as described in many movies. (the sound of the shot and then a change to the scene of a smoking muzzle) Its pretty hard to film the actual flames I would guess.

I also got to question the picture of the Glock, not that I doubt the flame, but why isn't the slide in motion (or can it be fired with the slide locked?)

With a revolver the flame actually comes out of the gap between the cylinder and the barrel too, though most of the time you don't see it unless it is dark out. It would take some high speed equipment to catch it all on film.

What about using a blank gun or so called "starter pistol" for the effect?

For anyone that hasn't shot a gun, that would mean I guess that you didn't grow up around them, I would reccomend a trip to a local firing range. Take the saftey and training class and get some range time in firing one. It is a great sport, highly addictive, a great rush, fairly expencive though but not all that much skill is needed. Well the skill to shoot isn't all that needed, but to score well takes some skill.

[thecoalman]

I also got to question the picture of the Glock, not that I doubt the flame, but why isn't the slide in motion (or can it be fired with the slide locked?)

I'll venture to guess that's before the slide goes in motion.

[Richie V]

Thanks to everyone for replying

This may be bordering on political discussion but for those interested here is an insight into gun ownership in the UK. Basically nearly all hand guns are banned, so adding some smoke in post-production is by far the easiest option!

[ZAPPER]

I also got to question the picture of the Glock, not that I doubt the flame, but why isn't the slide in motion (or can it be fired with the slide locked?)

I'll venture to guess that's before the slide goes in motion.

Cool image at any rate. Even though I suspect it is a photochop advertisement for Glock

I tried to photograph the flash from a freinds .44 Mag when I was younger. Not very good results. The sight in real life is incredible though.

[glockjs]

imo it was caught with high speed equipment. compensated glocks spit flames ^ ^

here's an 18c(fully auto) vid at night. too bad these are illegal in the us

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xj1oVRa6R-A

[thecoalman]

here's an 18c(fully auto) vid at night. too bad these are illegal in the us

And for what purpose would you need that gun? I'm not being anti-gun either, it's completely impractical, unless someone was standing 5 feet from you you'd be lucky if you hit them twice.

[ZAPPER]

If you were close enough to hit them once, you would probably hit them with half of the clip.


I agree, totally impractical, but I want one anyways LOL

Don't you know that you could empty pockets of cash as fast as it spits lead

[glockjs]

since when does anything need to have a purpose or be practical? real men have cool toys that are impractical and without purpose k. you guys almost sound like a nagging woman with words like that :O

[thecoalman]

Know what you mean, my brother has the 50Cal version of the Desert Eagle with the 10 inch barrel, another gun that falls into the imprctical category. One nice thing about this gun is you don't need bullets, you only need to point it at someone and they fall over dead of a heart attack. :P

[glockjs]

my wet dream has always been to have twin chrome .50 cal de's

[ZAPPER]

Now ya see, a .50 is a useful tool, for installing picture windows in cinder block walls, but two? Now thats just greedy! LOL

[BJ_M]

a pic of a ruger 454 Casulll:





couple of kids trying to fire a .700 Nitro Express i believe in the video below



biggun1_.wmv

[BJ_M]

another vid of another kid trying out the same rifle

biggun2_.wmv

[BJ_M]

an auto glock on a lazy at. afternoon


glock.avi

[Craig Tucker]

You call that a gun

[thecoalman]

That's ridiculous... You'd have to be a gorilla to pick it up let alone hold onto when it fired. I keep looking for the photshop lines but don't see any, no other telltale signs either, even has a correct looking reflection in the top one.

[Craig Tucker]

As far as I know its real and fires 1/2" browning shells, but I certainly would not want to fire it.

[ZAPPER]

Designed for stopping charging....Freight trains?

[glockjs]

"you call that a gun?! no, this is a gun mate"

[thecoalman]

but I certainly would not want to fire it.

I would, but I'd reserve the final decision until I saw someone else shoot it. :P With all that weight it might not be that bad, not sure how you'd hold it up tho. They must put it on stand or something. That or they hold the barrel. Can't see firing from a standing position.