Trying to convert to MOV to store on memory card.

[peejayw]

My Sanyo Digital camera has a 2 gig memory card and a 3inch screen so i thought it would make a great portable video player. The camera records in mov format, Photo-JPG 640x480, Millions 8-bit Unsigned Interger, Mono,7.875kHz, 30 fps.
What I am trying to do is convert some mpeg files to this mov format to store on the camera.
I am using River past Video Cleaner to convert using the above parameters and renaming the file to SANY0001 etc as that seems to be the format required but the camera will not recognise the file.
Could anyone offer some suggestions on what else I could try to covert into the right format?
Thanks,
Pat

[guns1inger]

Most cameras will only play what they shoot, or a similar camera in the same range shot. They aren't designed to play back files created externally. As MOV is simply a container format, there may be other meta data written by the camera that also needs to be present in your file for the camera to play it. Having the same format isn't enough.

As to what that data might be - don't know. Perhaps look at the file properties in Quicktime might give you some clue.

[peejayw]

Thanks for that. I have in the past managed to transfer jpg and mpeg files back to my other camera with no problems.
Perhaps Sanyo use some special codec?
Anyone else have any suggestions?
Pat

[guns1inger]

I have crossed a busy highway without traffics lights and not been run over before - means nothing the next time. It's not a special codec - it is either photo-jpg or motion-jpeg. Both are pretty standard for still camera movies.

[peejayw]

Quicktime tells me that the files are in Photo-jpeg format.

Do you know of any other software that would let me get a closer look at the meta data to see what changes there are between the original files and the modified ones?
Thanks.

[guns1inger]

Apple are pretty closed about getting details out of their format, so not may tools read all the details. So aside from what you can see under Movie Details etc, you might be stuck.

[peejayw]

I dont think its a problem with Quicktime, the mov file plays fine on the computer. I suspect it that the camera cant see the metadata it expects to be there. I need to be able to insert the correct metadata somehow which I can copy and modify from a mov file produced by the camera.

[Cornucopia]

This is again one of those times where it makes more sense to just bite the bullet and fork out $29US for Quicktime Pro. It would allow you to export (with as much or better control over parameters than Riverpast) and would allow you to see/create/edit the metadata.

Scott

[peejayw]

Hi, OK, are you saying that QT Pro would let me Edit/Save/Write Exif data ?

[Cornucopia]

JPEG files have EXIF data in certain places in the header. MOV files (may) have similar data stored in META atoms in the file.

QT will import JPEGs (though I'm not sure how well it reads the EXIF data, but you can always get an EXIF reader to see what that is). QT WILL read/write/edit/create META atoms for MOV files (this includes MJPG, JPEG, JP2K, etc). QT may or may not export JPEG files with the META atoms converted to EXIF header info, I'm not sure. Haven't had a need to do that yet.

In your previous posts, you were talking mainly about MJPEG MOV files, which should be no problem for QT pro. That's what I was answering. JPEG, I'm not sure of, but it's worth a try. Although, any good photo editor or exif utility can read/insert/write the EXIF info for a jpeg, though (my pref here is Photoshop). QT pro is still a useful purchase, even if this isn't your sole reason for getting it.

...

Where are these META atoms?

Open QT pro, do [Ctrl + J] to open the Movie Properties sheet (not Movie Info). Pick your stream (overall Movie container, Vid, Aud, Txt, etc) and choose the "Annotations" dropdown.

Scott

[peejayw]

Sorry, I should not have said exif files. Yes, it is mov files that I am interested in and I already have QT Pro.
When I go to the properties sheet of a mov file produced by the camera and click the annotations tab, there is nothing there.

[peejayw]

I just tried Exiftool on the same file as above and it produced thi....

---- ExifTool ----
ExifTool Version Number : 6.63
---- File ----
File Name : C:\Documents and Settings\Dad\Desktop\SANY0001.MOV
Directory : -a -u -g1 -w txt
File Size : 11 MB
File Modification Date/Time : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
File Type : MOV
MIME Type : video/quicktime
---- QuickTime ----
Preview Date : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
Preview Version : 0
Preview Atom Type : PICT
Preview Atom Index : 1
Preview PICT : (Binary data 15836 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Mdat : (Binary data 11886592 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Version : 0
Create Date : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
Modify Date : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
Time Scale : 600
Duration : 8.37s
Preferred Rate : 1
Preferred Volume : 99.61%
Preview Time : 0.00s
Preview Duration : 0.00s
Poster Time : 0.00s
Selection Time : 0.00s
Selection Duration : 0.00s
Current Time : 0.00s
Next Track ID : 2
Unknown mdhd : (Binary data 24 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown hdlr : (Binary data 25 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown vmhd : (Binary data 12 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown hdlr : (Binary data 25 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown dref : (Binary data 20 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stsd : (Binary data 94 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stts : (Binary data 16 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stsc : (Binary data 32 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stsz : (Binary data 1016 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stco : (Binary data 44 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown mdhd : (Binary data 24 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown hdlr : (Binary data 25 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown smhd : (Binary data 8 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown hdlr : (Binary data 25 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown dref : (Binary data 20 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stsd : (Binary data 44 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stts : (Binary data 16 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stsc : (Binary data 32 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stsz : (Binary data 12 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Unknown stco : (Binary data 44 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Format : Digital Camera
Information : SANYO DIGITAL CAMERA E6
---- Track1 ----
Track Version : 0
Track Create Date : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
Track Modify Date : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
Track ID : 1
Track Duration : 8.37s
Track Layer : 0
Track Volume : 0.00%
Image Width : 640
Image Height : 480
---- Track2 ----
Track Version : 0
Track Create Date : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
Track Modify Date : 2006:12:11 18:08:16
Track ID : 2
Track Duration : 8.37s
Track Layer : 0
Track Volume : 100.00%
---- Sanyo ----
Make : Sanyo
Camera Model Name : E6
Exposure Time : 1/133
F Number : 3.3
Exposure Compensation : 0
White Balance : Auto
Focal Length : 6.3mm
---- Composite ----
Aperture : 3.3
Image Size : 640x480
Shutter Speed : 1/133
Focal Length : 6.3mm

Do you know why QT is not showing this data?

[Cornucopia]

Not sure, but it looks like the info is probably store in those "Unknown" atoms. Try the "-b" option to extract them and view with a Hex editor. It's just possible that they are human-readable.
Also, note that at the bottom of that screen you are shown Make & Model # and other cam info. You should be able to see that stuff in QT pro, since you can see it there. If not, you can use a Hex editor to see where in the MOV file those attributes are, and from there deduce which atom they reside in (and possibly modify with a hex editor if QT can't "see" them because of non-standard/non-defined nature).

Scott

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edit: too bad EXIFtool can't write to QT files