Burnt Dvds only play for 60 min.

[sofiabird]

Hello, New here and hope this is the correct forum to post this.

I have a newish DVD burner... it is about 6 months old.

It has burnt Music Cd's and data Cd's just fine and I am able to burn Dvds but when I go to play them on anything other than the DVD player in the computer... they play perfectly for 60 min. then they freeze.

I have never successfully burnt a DVD that plays on any other player past the 60 min mark. I tried about 7 DVD players all of a different mark at my school and none of them play it past that point.

I have tried the newest firmware and several different software as well as trying a ton of different configurations on each one. I think I have blown through about 100 or so DVDs this past 6 months just trying to make it work.

I live in Brazil and unfortunately if it plays in the DVD player after being burnt... then there is nothing wrong with the DVD burner so I can't exchange it to see if it is a burner problem.

I am in hopes though that someone else has had this issue and may know what to do.

Any ideas?

[SCDVD]

What kind of media are you using? Bad media can cause this.

[ROF]

Let me see

*digs out crystal ball*

Since have a X DVD Burner and you are using Y media rated at Z speed and burning them at AB speed and attempting to play them back in a AY DVD Player . . . that's an AY DVD Recorder . . . oops sorry the crystal ball was blurry it's an AZ DVD Player I'd say the problem involves a T issue with your Q.

In short, there isn't enough info to provide a competent answer.

[sofiabird]

I do have the information about the burner in the details about my computer. I see all the info about yours so why can't you see mine. At any rate... if it is not possible for you to see this information then here it is...

DVD= LG Gwa 4164b

Using several media types some of them have been: Maxell 4 and 8, Verbatim 8, Sony 16 also 4, RiDisc 8, Dr. Hank 4 ... and a few other off brands.

They burn fine for the DVD on my system but in any other DVD player they play PERFECTLY until the 60 min mark. This happens with all media types. I want to make it clear though that there have been attempts to burn at slower speeds as well and making space at end of DVD so as not to burn to the end. ALL these things result in the same thing... perfect playing with no skips until the 60 min mark.

I updated the firmware for the dvd with the one released a few weeks ago and the same problem exists.

I have used several programs all with the same results... Nero 6 and the new 7 as well as xp pro , tmpge and a few others... don't recall all of them.

I can give what ever information is needed if it will help. I was just not sure what was needed. [/quote]

[ROF]

You have tried several different medias and several different burning programs/speeds/processes which is good but since you only have this issue on external players this seems to be your problem. How many different players have you tried them on?

[TBoneit]

You aren't labeling the disks are you? They always freeze at 60 minutes?

Can you borrow someone elses burner to burn the same project in your computer and see if that disc plays OK?

[ROF]

If it plays ok in the existing burner then the disc is being burnt fine. It's the playback mechanism which is more than likely at fault.

[sofiabird]

Thanks for the reply's ...

No, I am not labeling them.
Yes, they always freeze at 60 min... Give or take a few seconds.

I did ask a friend to use his Sony burner to burn the same project and it works perfectly on all machines.

I don't understand the playback issue when it works fine for one hour and then stops playing... all machines all the time.

I am working for a year here in Brazil teaching and I have access to several DVD players that we use while teaching... exactly 7 different players (all different brands) and all have the same results however, strangely the Philips that plays almost anything... wont even load them... none of them.

Even the stuff burnt by others in the school works just fine on the players. The only other issue these players at the school have had is when the media gets old.

I think it is the 60 min mark and the fact that it plays beautifully up to that point that throws me for a loop. I was wondering if there is maybe an issue with my burner and at that point it messes up and only it can read its own mistakes.

[dphirschler]

Here is my theory. You have a FAT32 file system. You are hitting the 2 gig limit and your authoring software is not telling you. So you burn a DVD and it is only half full as a result. If this is the case, you can get around that limit. For instance, ImgTool Classic allows you to save multi-part img files that DVD Decryptor can burn.


Darryl

[dphirschler]

Of course, I am guessing at the FAT32 file system, but it makes sense. I used to see the same problem on my own DVDs.


Darryl

[trhouse]

I am able to burn Dvds but when I go to play them on anything other than the DVD player in the computer... they play perfectly for 60 min. then they freeze.

It is not clear if you mean they play past 60 minutes on the computer but assuming they do, I would suggest downloading the latest version of freeware, DVDInfoPro. It will allow you to error check and speed test the disks to see if there are any abnormalities.

I have seen something similar. I have some fake Taiyo Yuden disks. For some reason, they play perfectly on the cmputer but they hesitate and stall on other players. Testing these disks showed no CRC errors but at a point in the playback during the speed test, the speed would suddenly drop indicating a problem.

Here is an example. Notice the glitches. A good disk does not do that.

[cd090580]

The dvd plays fine on your hard disk ????? Did you check your burned duisk with nero cd speed ???
If you have an external usb drive, make sure it's plugged on an usb 2 port. Don't plug it on a usb hub with another usb device.

[sofiabird]

It is not clear if you mean they play past 60 minutes on the computer

Yes that is what I mean.... Plays fine... all the way through with menu function and all. But if it is not played on my computer it freezes at about 60 min through.

Here is my theory. You have a FAT32 file system.

Nope not fat32 I thought about that as well a few months back but I have since formatted and reinstalled the operating system... in hopes that a clean install would help and I did not choose Fat32.

I will check the disks with the programs suggested... will post if anything comes up.

[sofiabird]

OK I did check the disk and everything is good.

I then checked it with Nero and it was 100 percent on all .... however

I looked at the Nero info tool and under the disk it shows play time as 44 min.

That is about how long each episode is , not the whole disk.

This particular disk has 3 episodes of an class I give and each episode is 40 min or slightly more. In general once I get past that first episode on the stand alone dvd it stops working.
However it plays all the way through on my PC.

Is there a reason I am missing that the Nero only says the play time is 44 min.?

[trhouse]

It sounds like the burn is good but the navigation is not working well. Nero is good for burning but not for authoring. You mentiond TMPGEnc. Did you use their encoder program or their authoring program, DVD Author? DVD Author should be good. It has a 30 day free trial period.

Did DVDInfoPro report that too or did it show the disk full?

[TBoneit]

why not try putting one episode on a disc and see how that plays, If Ok move on and try two Episodes on a disc and see what happens.


And of course try the Trail version of TDA 1.5 or 1.6 as the newer versions watermark the menu.

[Nelson37]

The next thing that you can easily change at low cost and effort would be the burning software.

Also try copying one of your disks in another PC with a DVD burner.

Another thing to try would be to copy a standard DVD that is known to work.

[sofiabird]

why not try putting one episode on a disc and see how that plays, If Ok move on and try two Episodes on a disc and see what happens.

I did that at one point and it does the same thing... anything past the first episode doesn't play right. It plays fine on my DVD that burned them but not on any other player.

Also try copying one of your disks in another PC with a DVD burner

The disks copy fine ... not the ones I burnt but the original was successfully copied by another burner. This burner (mine) is the only one that seems to have an issue and it is not just with this one DVD it is will all no matter the source.

Another thing to try would be to copy a standard DVD that is known to work.

That is the last project I did and after 5 unsuccessful attempts I posted this message.

It sounds like the burn is good but the navigation is not working well. Nero is good for burning but not for authoring. You mentiond TMPGEnc. Did you use their encoder program or their authoring program

I used both of them. The DVD author works great but only for things that have less than 60 min of play time. I still get the same error.

Right now I have been trying to backup an original DVD to an ISO and burn it. ... this is the latest one and it gives the same error. It will play the first 45 min episode and then about 15 min into the second episode it skips and freezes then finally freezes for good.

[trhouse]

Can you post images of your DVDInfoPro test results?

[TBoneit]

Can you borrow a friends burner to test in your computer and using your software to narrow down to burner of s/w issues. I'm tending towards thinking your burner may be going.....

The only way to confirm s/w or h/w is change the burner and nothing else and see what happens.

[cyflyer]

Using several media types some of them have been: Maxell 4 and 8, Verbatim 8, Sony 16 also 4, RiDisc 8, Dr. Hank 4 ... and a few other off brands.

More details, media codes ? Maxell=maxell or Ritek ?, WHICH Verbatim, MCC, India or Singapore ? Ridisc, YUKS !, Dr Hank ??? sounds like a fizzy drink. I recon he's using crap media. Sony is the only decent one on the list, then again, what Sony is available in Brazil ?
Even the crappiest media will usually initially play in the burner that burnt it. The problems show when you playback in a standalone.

[TBoneit]

I'm still thinking H/w or S/w because every disc dies at the same point in time on a standalone. It seems to me that even dodgy media doesn't all go bad at the same point in time when playing it back. I've used cheap media for Q & D projects and it doesn't just drop dead if pushed to hard. I may start pixeling and such. If I took the cheap media that I use for a Q & D project for testing or a one time or whatever and filled it to the edge instead of my normal for it it would gradually act up and if I burned three of the same they'd act up in different manners.

FWIW when I use cheap media, defined as that playo sale at staples a while back for example or the Offiice Mx or maybe it was Office Depot where it was $19 or so a hundred for Opto's or Princo they still work. OTOH as I'm just using them where I might be burning 1 or 2 gigs on the disk.

I'm still thinking something in the burner like a laser assembly that isn't moving freely or bad f/w or s/w that isn't controlling the drive in the proper manner.

[TBoneit]

Using several media types some of them have been: Maxell 4 and 8, Verbatim 8, Sony 16 also 4, RiDisc 8, Dr. Hank 4 ... and a few other off brands.

More details, media codes ? Maxell=maxell or Ritek ?, WHICH Verbatim, MCC, India or Singapore ? Ridisc, YUKS !, Dr Hank ??? sounds like a fizzy drink. I recon he's using crap media. Sony is the only decent one on the list, then again, what Sony is available in Brazil ?
Even the crappiest media will usually initially play in the burner that burnt it. The problems show when you playback in a standalone.

BTW I used some Imataion made in India that actually played fine to the edge and since I used them for something I didn't care about longevity. I made a bunch of disc to free up drive space in my DVR and DVD Recorder so i could capture the Globo TV broadcasts from the Sambodrome and daytime broadcasts during Carnaval via Dishnetwork. When I started out I was using Princo 1X followed by Optorite. Guess what? They still play fine now and I did them when Sony came out with the DRU 500A And I got mine in November 2002. Back then I was a newb to DVDs and I could get them cheap from a vendor. It was the 500A I couldn't get more of and I could have sold a ton of them that Christmas season. That drive seemed to burn whatever I fed it flawlessly, nice burner.

[Bjs]

Confirm media type : you may be breaking rule's ...

Dvd-r = no more than 4.3gig (compatable for all player's) .

+ and rw may not be supported by your current home dvd player's .

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As to that 60 minute problem ... just by adding up you title's , give's a total of 2.2 hour's .

Two problem's here :

1: Try converting audio to ac3 (save's space for dvd video)
2: Try using dvdshrink to lower video bitrate of authored project to below max of 4.3gig .

You sound as though each authoring program has been using it's own default dvd authoring process which is creating the problem , basically they all re-encode before burning .

Nero is extremely poor at this and should be left out of this process .
Other's follow close behind .

Another problem is not many will accept ac3 audio into project's , or do a poor second hand job at it .

A cure : way's for ac3 ...

Dvdauthorgui can create all the basic's required , accept's ac3 audio , then used dvdshrink to trim down authored to folder project to under 4.3gig before burning .

My way :

1: Create dvd project as you like with any program that suite's you , but author to folder only .
2: Use vobedit to rip audio / video from authored dvd .
3: Convert audio to ac3 (no lower than 96kpbs) using besweet .
4: Part (a)

Use ifoedit to reauthor pal title's

4: Part (b)

Use rejig to reauthor nstc title's

5: Open each title into dvdshrink , write down the size of each , and add together .
6: 4.3gig is max , so take 4.2 as guess mark , what remain's is divided by three .
7: Use dvdshrink to knock this amount off each title (try not to aim shrink by more than 15%)
8: Open pgcedit , create new dvd , create a new folder is auto , just say where .

9: Import First title , Then second title , then last title (alway's copy incase of stuffup)
10: Now highlight first command in left panel , then right click it , sellect , import menu .

This being the menu from your project's authored folder only .

11: Recheck all nav command's (esspecially those in menu's containing buttons "b") are linked to there correct title's , menu's and button's ...

12: Save dvd .
13: Playback title on pc .
14: If all ok , check project's max folder size , if under 4.3 , burn it and enjoy .

15: If navigational error , re-edit nav command's in pgcedit , save , and replay test till correct .

16: If project over 4.3gig , you didn't take enough off during dvdshrink phase .

In this last case , delete this project folder , and start from scratch again , this is why when I say in pgcedit too "copy" title's , and menu's ... if you stuff up , you have not lost anything apart from time .

[sweetfreek]

Looking at the graph I'd say everything is acceptable, but those tremors in the graphline are not usually a sign of good quality media. Switch to Sony Brand or something. It could also be a jitter cause by a worn-down burner, but that seems unlikely. I also wouldn't rule out the possiblity that the tremors are caused by the software doing the scan in some weird way.

[trhouse]

If you are referring to my DVDInfoPro images, it was bad media. Five cent a disk, QC brand disk from Fry's Electronics with a fake Taiyo Yuden media ID. Genuine Taiyo Yuden media gives a line with no glitches.

One question for Sofiabird.

What program are you using to playback these disks on your computer?

[sofiabird]

sorry about no response for a while, I was out of town.

OK I did the dvdinfo scans on several disks and most of them had some glitches... so I decide to scan them all again and they come up with the glitches in different spots and totally not even close to what it came up with the first time around. I have done 7 DVDs all with the same results... the scan shows glitches first time and second time glitches appear but in different spots. Some times one will show a huge glitch and spike real high and then the next time it will not glitch at all like that.

I use powerdvd to playback on the PC... I was asked that as well.


next step I will try bj's method and see how it goes.

[sofiabird]

BTW I used some Imataion made in India that actually played fine to the edge and since I used them for something I didn't care about longevity. I made a bunch of disc to free up drive space in my DVR and DVD Recorder so i could capture the Globo TV broadcasts from the Sambodrome and daytime broadcasts during Carnaval via Dishnetwork. When I started out I was using Princo 1X followed by Optorite. Guess what? They still play fine now and I did them when Sony came out with the DRU 500A And I got mine in November 2002. Back then I was a newb to DVDs and I could get them cheap from a vendor. It was the 500A I couldn't get more of and I could have sold a ton of them that Christmas season. That drive seemed to burn whatever I fed it flawlessly, nice burner.

I have a friend that has the same 500a and he says the same thing. I am thinking at this point of just investing in a new one and then if that doesn't work then i know it is another issue. i can't figure it out and with all the money spent on DVDs that end up as coasters... I might as well spend it on a better burner.

[TBoneit]

FWIW the 500a and 510A always burned good, unfortunately it is getting hard to get media they'll like. Then I tried a Lite-On 1633 and a Pioneer 109. Thye both burn about the same. The latest is a Liteon 165 that does all formats including DVD-RAM. I just installed it into a new PC I built myself and it seems to be burning better than the Pioneer or Older lite-on.

More testing is needed though such as Dual Layer media. I forgot to bring them in to work from home for testing.

[trhouse]

I have PowerDVD. It can play video that does not comply with the dvd-video standard. That may be why it can play your disks and standalone players cannot. What is the source of your video, its resolution, and how are you importing it into your computer?

The glitches that move around are not good. Usually media glitches are fairly repeatable. Can you test your disks on another computer?