DVD Shrink Vs DVD Decrypter...Blah, Ripping, Blah, Protections, Blah, Burni

[jbwpg]

Some burning enthusiasts out there say for the best results first use DVD Decrypter and then DVD Shrink when copying your DVD movies. Some people say that DVD Shrink does not remove protections on DVDs when ripping and DVD Decrypter does. From logic, I would assume that DVD Shrink removes protections that are on DVDs, but there might be some protections DVD Shrink may have trouble with that DVD Decrypter can handle better.

I know that DVD copy right protections can prevent one from being able to successfully back up a movie. Let say that DVD Shrink does not remove protections, like some people say, but is able to rip the data and finalizer an image. Will the copy right protections tranfer over into the image/ripped data? Regardless of the scenario, does this ever happen? Or would whatever program your using give you an error during the ripping or even before you begin to rip if it can't remove the protection, preventing this from ever happening. WHat kind of error does DVD Shrink give for this type of thing? Do the copy right protections that can be on DVDs only effect your ability to rip a DVD? Or do the complications extend further. If protections do transferinto image (if even possible), what types of problems could this cause for burning or maybe even playing the resulting copy in your DVD player? Maybe the phrase "copy right protection" is a tell all? The protection only effects one's ability to rip that data into a successful image (copying). Burning is another story. I know, I know, so much hypothetical speculation in this paragraph!

The following is a paragraph from DVD Shrink's Help Section:

"The first preventative measure is encryption. Commercial DVD titles are often encrypted, which prevents you from either copying them to your hard drive, or if you manage to do so, being able to play the resulting files. DVD Shrink overcomes this problem with built-in decryption algorithms, which means you can use DVD Shrink to backup a DVD directly, without requiring any other software."

Is there a different between Encryption and Protections (CSS, RC, RCE, Macrovision, UOPs and Sony ARccOS)? Or are they basically in the same pile. When reading various posts on the net regarding backing up DVDs, there is so much conflicting and contradicting information. Clarity would be a nice thing. But then again you have some many different opions and interpretations which can effect the consistency factor of information.

Personally I use DVD Shrink to rip all my movies. And if DVD Shrink is giving me errors when ripping because it can not beat some protection on the disc. Then I will use DVD Decrypter which will normally solve the problem with whatever protection on the DVD that is giving me issues. And if DVD Decrypter fails since it is no longer being updated, then I will use DVD Fab Decrypter. Is this a good practice/process?

Also I was reading some posts and some users say that DVD Decrypter will create an exact copy of a DVD 5 movie and DVD Shrink will not do this. I am pretty sure that DVD Shrink 3.2 is capable of doing the samething. DVD Shrink will recognize automatically if the DVD you are trying to back up/copy is less 4.7 GB (DVD 5) and will let you back it up without compressing. IS there difference in the final result produced between the two programs (quality)? Obviously both programs are going to have their own individual ripping code (programming), but the final purpose is the same.

Also, what factors effect being able to successfully back up a good copy of a scratched DVD that skips? How will the scratches effect your ripped data/image?

Your thoughts....... [/b]

[guns1inger]

Have a read of this discussion
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=290480

and specifically this post
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1448499#1448499

[pepegot1]

Use AnyDVD. Shrink & Decrypter are old software and cannot deal with new copy protection systems. AnyDVD is constantly updated.

[guns1inger]

DVD Decrypter is still the best ripper yet written. I have used it with AnyDVD. I would never rip with Shrink because I believe it to be an inefficient way to work, but some like the one click convenience of it.

The next ArccOS disc I come across I will try the PGCEdit method to see how it handle it.

[Abond]

Some burning enthusiasts out there say for the best results first use DVD Decrypter and then DVD Shrink when copying your DVD movies.

Souds right to me.

Some people say that DVD Shrink does not remove protections on DVDs when ripping and DVD Decrypter does.

This is not true.

From logic, I would assume that DVD Shrink removes protections that are on DVDs, but there might be some protections DVD Shrink may have trouble with that DVD Decrypter can handle better.

This is true.

I know that DVD copy right protections can prevent one from being able to successfully back up a movie.

Not only this.

Let say that DVD Shrink does not remove protections, like some people say, but is able to rip the data and finalizer an image. Will the copy right protections tranfer over into the image/ripped data? Regardless of the scenario, does this ever happen?

As DVDShrink removes protection all this not happen.

WHat kind of error does DVD Shrink give for this type of thing?

Don't know, never used DVDShrink to rip.

Do the copy right protections that can be on DVDs only effect your ability to rip a DVD?

Yes.

Or do the complications extend further. If protections do transferinto image (if even possible), what types of problems could this cause for burning or maybe even playing the resulting copy in your DVD player?

No and no.

Is there a different between Encryption and Protections (CSS, RC, RCE, Macrovision, UOPs and Sony ARccOS)? Or are they basically in the same pile. When reading various posts on the net regarding backing up DVDs, there is so much conflicting and contradicting information. Clarity would be a nice thing. But then again you have some many different opions and interpretations which can effect the consistency factor of information.

Encription is part of protection.
CSS=encryption=Content Scrambling System
RC=region coding, prevent distridution
RCE=RC Enhanced
Macrovision=prevent analog copying
UOP=don't know what is this. If you mean PUO=prohibited user operations=do not allow you to change the way DVD is played back with your remote.
ARccOS=make weird DVD structure to fool the rippers. Just now I realised that this is directed protection to the existed rippers or other software to make a backup.

Also I was reading some posts and some users say that DVD Decrypter will create an exact copy of a DVD 5 movie and DVD Shrink will not do this. I am pretty sure that DVD Shrink 3.2 is capable of doing the samething. DVD Shrink will recognize automatically if the DVD you are trying to back up/copy is less 4.7 GB (DVD 5) and will let you back it up without compressing. IS there difference in the final result produced between the two programs (quality)? Obviously both programs are going to have their own individual ripping code (programming), but the final purpose is the same.

Well, I never tried to use DVDShrink for 1:1 copy.

Also, what factors effect being able to successfully back up a good copy of a scratched DVD that skips? How will the scratches effect your ripped data/image?

The factor called "unreadable sectors". Isobuster is a sortware of choice. It can be that the skips would remain in the backup.
These are my thoughts

[jbwpg]

Personally I use DVD Shrink to rip all my movies. And if DVD Shrink is giving me errors when ripping because it can not beat some protection on the disc. Then I will use DVD Decrypter which will normally solve the problem with whatever protection on the DVD that is giving me issues. And if DVD Decrypter fails since it is no longer being updated, then I will use DVD Fab Decrypter. Is this a good practice/process?
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Concerning these tools specifically, does anyone do the same? Or what do you do differently when using these various tools in collabaration.