24p Footage to DVD

[Dj Petro]

I have never used any 24p footage before and I am required to edit and author a DVD from this footage. I have always dealt with DV footage before.
Is there anything I need to know or keep in mind with starting this project?

Can I go to DVD with 24p footage or do I need to convert to DV first?

I will be using Premiere Pro and Encore to edit and author this project.

Any help or comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

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[edDV]

What is the source? Is it a tape, a bunch of tiff stills, other? What resolution?

Set up Premiere Pro project settings to 24p and import.

You should have project templates for 24p (23.976) at 720x480 4:3, 720x480 widescreen, 1280x720, 1920x1080 or others for 25 fps PAL progressive.

[Dj Petro]

I know that Premiere has a template for 24p, but will I have any problem going to DVD from there.

I will probably capture the video from the camera via firewire.

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[pijetro]

The problem won't be encoding, but rather authouring..
Assuming everything is correct up until now, go ahead and encode an .m2v file from your video source. Take caution on encoding, since you're used to 29.97fps. Simply check for any 24fps options..

Depending on authouring software, chances are, you'll need to run this 24fps source through a program called Pulldown.
Simply run the source file, and voila...
Your authouring software should be good to go..

Good luck!!

[edDV]

I know that Premiere has a template for 24p, but will I have any problem going to DVD from there.

I will probably capture the video from the camera via firewire.

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Is this a Panasonic DVX100P or some other 24P camcorder? What is your progressive source?
Ref: http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/#Whats_the_DVX100P

Are you in an NTSC 60Hz or PAL 50Hz country?

What is the playback destination for this 24p video? Is it a DVD that will be telecined to 29.97? or a progressive HDTV that supports 24p or are you going for film print?

Once you have your 24p timeline, encoding to progressive mode DVD is again a template. The method differs by intended playback device (e.g. 29.97 fps w/pulldown flags vs 25 fps playback vs 24p print).

[Dj Petro]

I believe the camera is a Panasonic camera, I know that it can shoot 24p. I am not shooting so I am not sure about the model of camera.

I am NTSC

The destination is going to be a NTSC DVD. So it will have to be telecined to 29.97.

I did not know of a template to encode from a 24p timeline to progressive DVD. So that mean it will pullup to 29.97 from 24p?
If I use Encore to author, my assets will need to be DV resolution and frame rate, right?

Will the mentioned program Pulldown, do a proper conversion of my source to something I can author with.

I was also looking at Encore and read this about importing assets.

Importing 23.976, 23.98, or 24-fps files

Because the frame rate doesn't conform to NTSC standards, Adobe Encore DVD must transcode 23.976, 23.98, or 24 fps footage files upon import. When you import files with these frame rates, Adobe Encore DVD prompts you to choose an appropriate transcoding preset. By default, the program transcodes the files internally at 24 fps (to save disc space and maintain quality) but tags them to be played back at 29.97 fps, as required by the DVD specification. (See Transcoding assets from the Project window.)

Note: If you import several 23.976, 23.98, or 24 fps footage files at once, the files are all transcoded independently of one another. Cancelling the transcoding of one item only halts the process for that particular item.

*does this mean I can just bring in my 24p footage and Encore will transcode to 29.97?

Thanks again for all the assistance with this. I am learning alot about this.

[SLK001]

MPEG has two FRAME RATES - an ENCODED FR that represents the rate that the video is encoded at, and a DISPLAY FR that represents the playback rate. Edit your video at 23.976fps, encode it at 23.976fps, then run the video through the program PULLDOWN to insert the "field repeat" flags for proper display at 29.97fps (all this program does is toggle bits in the film's headers). PULLDOWN also sets the DISPLAY FR to 29.97fps.

When you encode, use PROGRESSIVE encoding, and ZIG-ZAG scanning (or their equivalents).

If everything is done correctly, Encore shouldn't have to transcode.

[Dj Petro]

I also recently found this about Premiere Pro...

In Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5, you can edit images that were captured using Panasonic's proprietary 24P and 24P Advance, or 24PA, interlacing scheme. These formats allow you to capture footage to NTSC DV tape at 24 progressive frames per second (fps).

Working with the 24P modes is most advantageous when you intend to author a progressive scan DVD. Because Adobe Premiere Pro recognizes 24P modes, you can perform your capture and edits within the program. Then, you can use the Adobe Media Encoder to export the file from Adobe Premiere Pro. Once exported, you can open the file in Adobe Encore DVD, author your DVD, and then simultaneously export the project and burn it to DVD as a 24P MPEG-2 stream. The resulting DVD is playable on any DVD player and will exhibit no interlacing artifacts if you have a 480p (progressive scan)-capable DVD player and television. Alternatively, you can export the Adobe Premiere Pro 24P project in a format appropriate for transfer to film.


If this is correct, then if I make a progressive scan 24p DVD will it play properly on a non-progressive scan DVD player.
If this is the case then I don't need to run it through Pulldown. I can edit 24p and export 24p and bring that into Encore and make a NTSC 24p DVD. Right?

[edDV]

The key to success for this project is the camcorder. The issues are well explained in the Adam Wilt link above. If you don't have access to the Panasonic DVX100P or Canon XL2 (both ~$4000) or above you will not be getting what you want.

Even if you do have access to these camcorders, shooting methods for 24P are much more restrictive. A tripod is needed unless you go with streadycam or some other support stabilization. Pans and zooms require special techniques. 24P is slow and jerky. Normal camcorders shoot with 59.94 fps (NTSC) or 50 fps (PAL) motion resolution.

I don't have Encore. Premiere Pro will work with a 23.976 project setting and the Adobe MPeg2 Encoder (Mainconcept based) can encode to 23.976 with pulldown flags.

I suggest you extract some 24p film from a sample DVD or IVTC from NTSC and use this to test the process.

[Dj Petro]

I won't have access to the camera until the videographer is finished filming. I can't be concerned with how it is shot, since a 3rd party is shooting the footage. Hopefully they will know how to shoot with that setting.
I think I will be ok based on all the information I have read from here and other sources. I feel I better understand what is going on and will hopefully try and use some test footage to try out the process.

Thanks for all the help and information.