Should I have to pay for your health?

[beavereater]

I was watching Super Size Me. Now, I don't live in the U.S, but I would imagine that there are plenty of people out there that don't want to pay for someone elses poor eating habits...all the fast food and clogged arteries. Maybe if America and other obese countries cleaned up their diets, there'd be better healthcare. I'm just assuming though...I have no idea really...

Any thoughts?

[Faustus]

This thread could get very political. Just saying.

I'll keep an eye on it. leave it to beavereater to start something

Part of the problem with "cleaning up our diets" is that NOT doing so is easier, more conveniant, and taste better.

I only eat a few breakfast items at McDonalds though, their food is horrible. But sweet sweet sauage biscuit...

[MackemX]

I hope no smokers take offence but you could say the same thing about smokers also. That's all I'm saying as I don't know what else to say

[Faustus]

I hope no smokers take offence but you could say the same thing about smokers also. That's all I'm saying as I don't know what else to say

This just in! Reports say that Flaystus just got off work, we go now LIVE to the scene.

[canadateck]

Nothing like a Smoke after a Big-Mac. And free health Care.

[beavereater]

But people have this idea of cleaning up their diet as being difficult. The stereotypical bodybuilder is a hunk of muscle with no brains. If he has no brains, how can he eat so well? As far as convinient....yeah...it is. But if you put a little effort into you could always have something to eat ready in your bag, purse of fridge. As far as taste...here's a sample of something I eat that tastes GREAT and is totally healthy...

200 grams rice
200 grams lean beef steak (Grilled)
3 tablespoons of sesame seed oil
0.5 tablespoon of basil

Totals
calories: 1135 Fats:61grams Carbs:62grams Protein: 85grams

Allll good stuff...

[MackemX]

I hope no smokers take offence but you could say the same thing about smokers also. That's all I'm saying as I don't know what else to say

This just in! Reports say that Flaystus just got off work, we go now LIVE to the scene.

I see you are cutting down

[beavereater]

Nothing like a Smoke after a Big-Mac. And free health Care.

I'm Canadian, but don't live there now. Unfortunately here I do have to pay, but it pisses me off with a population so heavy into smoking, and who's diet is turning to crap. More strokes, more cancer, more bills. By 2010 more than half of Japan will be senior citizens...

[canadateck]

I'm all for private health care.

[MackemX]

But people have this idea of cleaning up their diet as being difficult. The stereotypical bodybuilder is a hunk of muscle with no brains. If he has no brains, how can he eat so well? As far as convinient....yeah...it is. But if you put a little effort into you could always have something to eat ready in your bag, purse of fridge. As far as taste...here's a sample of something I eat that tastes GREAT and is totally healthy...

200 grams rice
200 grams lean beef steak (Grilled)
3 tablespoons of sesame seed oil
0.5 tablespoon of basil

Totals
calories: 1135 Fats:61grams Carbs:62grams Protein: 85grams

Allll good stuff...

only 400 grams of food? , I'd still be starving. I'm greedy and I've put a few extra lbs on this year so I'm working on losing them. All the fastfood, takeaways and beer have taken their toll on my health, physique and health went downhill

I've cut out the beer and nearly fastfood/takeaway stuff so now I need to start exercising again to get to my fitness levels from last year 8)

[beavereater]

The only reason I mention this is because a friend today, feeling like crap (He has a cold or something) decided to eat nothing but peanut butter and snickers bars. He's headed to the hospital where I'm sure he'll go through about 500 dollars worth of tests...and part of that expensive bill is paid for by me...why should I?

[beavereater]

@MackemX

The food might be light in weight, but it's the calories that gives you the energy. If it were 400 grams of lettuce, I'd be starving too. But with the oil...it makes it a great meal. You'd be surprise how NOT hungry you are, and how much MORE energy you'd have.

[MackemX]

some people musn't care what the effects of abusing their bodies now will do in later life

[MackemX]

@MackemX

The food might be light in weight, but it's the calories that gives you the energy. If it were 400 grams of lettuce, I'd be starving too. But with the oil...it makes it a great meal. You'd be surprise how NOT hungry you are, and how much MORE energy you'd have.

I've got a huge appetite also but that's because I used to eat big late at night instead of more little meals throughout the day . I'm changing my diet though and now eat less on more occasions throughout the day

[hudsonf]

It would be nice if there was a easy fix for the healthcare system but there isn't. The system needs to be overhauled but where do you begin. I only see it getting worse until only the very rich and the ones getting government assistance will have healthcare.

[Faustus]

But people have this idea of cleaning up their diet as being difficult. The stereotypical bodybuilder is a hunk of muscle with no brains. If he has no brains, how can he eat so well? As far as convinient....yeah...it is. But if you put a little effort into you could always have something to eat ready in your bag, purse of fridge. As far as taste...here's a sample of something I eat that tastes GREAT and is totally healthy...

200 grams rice
200 grams lean beef steak (Grilled)
3 tablespoons of sesame seed oil
0.5 tablespoon of basil

Totals
calories: 1135 Fats:61grams Carbs:62grams Protein: 85grams

Allll good stuff...

My bloodsugar would plummet on this diet.

[beavereater]

@MackemX

The food might be light in weight, but it's the calories that gives you the energy. If it were 400 grams of lettuce, I'd be starving too. But with the oil...it makes it a great meal. You'd be surprise how NOT hungry you are, and how much MORE energy you'd have.

I've got a huge appetite also but that's because I used to eat big late at night instead of more little meals throughout the day . I'm changing my diet though and now eat less on more occasions throughout the day

Eating less isn't necessarily eating better. Eating clean is eating better. You could be eating 3000 calories a day, but if it's all McDicks then you're gonna die. Switch that up with some good healthy stuff, and you're fine. No heart attacks or strokes, even if you are a little overweight. I would feel much better about paying for a heart translpant for someone who tried but failed because of genetics than for someone who lived off of Whoppers for 10 years.

[beavereater]

@Flaystus

That's just A meal. There are plenty more that are out there that taste just a good...and when you start living (Not just eating) right, you feel much better and you'll see that the whole convinience factor was just an excuse to NOT start doing the right thing

[Faustus]

than for someone who lived off of Whoppers for 10 years.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Watch what you say. HE'S LISTENING!

[beavereater]

I'll admit...I love whoppers...but there aren't any in Japan. Eating shit food is good in moderation. But people get married, looking good no longer matters and it's just about enjoying life. Then they develope diabetes and other diseases that could've been avoided with proper eating habits. My grandmother always said she wishes she could go back and eat healthier like her sister. Her sister can still live on her own and take care of herself, my grandmother is stuck in a nursing home. The price she pays for eating crap all the time...

[zzyzzx]

This thread should be moved to Politik so we can post more tasteless pictures in it without upsetting a certain mod.

[adam]

beavereater, the US uses a very unsocialist type of healthcare system in that there is relatively little state funding. Most hospitals are basically just businesses. If you have insurance you are covered, otherwise you'll have to pay out of pocket. If you can't do this you go to a cheaper hospital sometimes at the county level. There are pro bono programs and federal and some state aid but the vast majority of people just pay their own way...even if it takes them a lifetime.

So my point is that in the US you generally DON'T pay for someone else's healthcare they do.

Obesity does affect our economy. Corporations have to pay through the nose in their employee insurance plans because of people's bad habits. So much so that some corporations have started to discriminate against obese people and smokers and tell them lose weight and stop smoking or you're fired.

But at the same time we've got a BILLION dollar a year diet product industry.

[hudsonf]

This thread should be moved to Politik

I have to agree with you.

[Conquest10]

beavereater, the US uses a very unsocialist type of healthcare system in that there is relatively little state funding. Most hospitals are basically just businesses. If you have insurance you are covered, otherwise you'll have to pay out of pocket. If you can't do this you go to a cheaper hospital sometimes at the county level. There are pro bono programs and federal and some state aid but the vast majority of people just pay their own way...even if it takes them a lifetime.

So my point is that in the US you generally DON'T pay for someone else's healthcare they do.

Exactly, I was about to say that beave has no idea how the healthcare system works in the US. Take me for instance, if I go the doctor, I have to pay for it. Nobody else. If I have to go to the hospital, I have to pay for it. If there is an emergency and I call 911, I expect to get a bill. Nobody else has to pay for it. Only me.

[gll99]

Beaver:
Your premise is faulty. The poor eaters and smokers go quickly from heart attacks, strokes and cancer. They don't cost as much as you think just a bit of medicine and pain killers for a short time.
The healthy sons of a gun last too long and we have to pay for their old age security and eventually many years in subsidized nursing homes.

Now that's the real problem.

btw) I plan to be one of those that bleeds the system dry

[beavereater]

Sorry..I've been sick. Took me a while to get back.

Exactly, I was about to say that beave has no idea how the healthcare system works in the US. Take me for instance, if I go the doctor, I have to pay for it. Nobody else. If I have to go to the hospital, I have to pay for it. If there is an emergency and I call 911, I expect to get a bill. Nobody else has to pay for it. Only me.

Like I said, I'm not expert on healthcare, but somewhere along the line you are paying taxes that go to paying for health benifits of those who can't afford any, or am I wrong?

Beaver:
Your premise is faulty. The poor eaters and smokers go quickly from heart attacks, strokes and cancer. They don't cost as much as you think just a bit of medicine and pain killers for a short time.
The healthy sons of a gun last too long and we have to pay for their old age security and eventually many years in subsidized nursing homes.

Now that's the real problem.

btw) I plan to be one of those that bleeds the system dry

All the people who suffer strokes have all this new technology and medicine that keeps them going, while the older people who are healthier stay at home. My grandmothers is in her 80's and still hasn't been hospitalized for any serious diseases. That's because she knows how to eat properly, she doesn't smoke drink or sit in a tanning bed for hours.

I guess I'm just upset because a rich man who is a fat, smoking, drinking tub of lard will get a heart transplant before a young healthier kid. I don't like to think that my money is going into that. I have lived in Japan most of my working life, so I know the healthcare system here and it sucks monkey balls.

[Faustus]

Well all this time I THOUGHT people would be nice enough to pay for my medical bills but I guess not.

Make you a deal everyone just pay for my Xbox 360 and we will call it even ok?

[Cobra]

This thread should be moved to Politik so we can post more tasteless pictures in it without upsetting a certain mod.

I'm not sure what moderator you are referring to here, but no cheap shots at the Mods please. We work hard enough as it is to keep this forum going for you, and could do without this sort of behaviour. This is an informal warning.

On-topic now - mushrooms aren't used enough in my opinion. High in vitamins, minerals and loads of protein in them, with virtually no fat at all. They can be very tasty if cooked properly, and that often takes only a few minutes. I have a good recipe if anyone is interested.

some people musn't care what the effects of abusing their bodies now will do in later life

Agreed. I can't believe some of the things I see here at university.

[MackemX]

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is this a drug related comment? regardless I've never touched them and never will apart from booze and women 8). OK, maybe cars and football could also be classed as a drug

[beavereater]

Mushrooms are good if you want to add a little flavor to whatever you're eating and it's very healthy, but I think as far as protein goes, you have much better choices. There are a lot of different things I think people lack in their daily diet and substitute for crap.

If you're talking about the magical kind...well...er...they have their ups and downs