Should I have to pay for your health?

[lordsmurf]

Donuts for breakfast. - Candy bars for lunch.
Beer for dinner. - Pizza for a midnight snack.
While you may be laughing, I knew someone on that "diet".
He was more healthy than I was, never got sick, and was not obese.

Inversely, I knew this stupid vegetarian bitch, who was at a so-called "perfect weight", and ate stuff I wouldn't feed to my dog (rice cakes that were like cardboard, noodles, rice). That girl was was probably at the doctor's office more than his employees.

I don't get it.

[MackemX]

Donuts for breakfast. - Candy bars for lunch.
Beer for dinner. - Pizza for a midnight snack.
While you may be laughing, I knew someone on that "diet".
He was more healthy than I was, never got sick, and was not obese.

Inversely, I knew this stupid vegetarian bitch, who was at a so-called "perfect weight", and ate stuff I wouldn't feed to my dog (rice cakes that were like cardboard, noodles, rice). That girl was was probably at the doctor's office more than his employees.

I don't get it.

did the guy play sports?

[lordsmurf]

did the guy play sports?

Nope. He was a computer geek in a dead end job.

[hudsonf]

Donuts for breakfast. - Candy bars for lunch.
Beer for dinner. - Pizza for a midnight snack.
While you may be laughing, I knew someone on that "diet".
He was more healthy than I was, never got sick, and was not obese.

Inversely, I knew this stupid vegetarian bitch, who was at a so-called "perfect weight", and ate stuff I wouldn't feed to my dog (rice cakes that were like cardboard, noodles, rice). That girl was was probably at the doctor's office more than his employees.

I don't get it.

Finally a diet I can stick to.

[beavereater]

did the guy play sports?

Nope. He was a computer geek in a dead end job.

Genetics. Some people can handle crap food a whole better. BUT just because he's not fat, doesn't mean he IS healthy. Blood tests can show a lot more about whats going on inside. The "I can eat and drink everything and not get fat" people have a disadvantage in that they have to work harder to get bigger (If that's what someones goals might be)

[Jester700]

did the guy play sports?

Nope. He was a computer geek in a dead end job.

Genetics. Some people can handle crap food a whole better. BUT just because he's not fat, doesn't mean he IS healthy. Blood tests can show a lot more about whats going on inside. The "I can eat and drink everything and not get fat" people have a disadvantage in that they have to work harder to get bigger (If that's what someones goals might be)

True, though many are ALSO genetically protected against the typical artheriosclerosis issues - heart disease, stroke, etc. My wife's extended family has always eaten terribly, with poor exercise habits, but no heart issues in the lot of them.

[Cobra]

Mushrooms are good if you want to add a little flavor to whatever you're eating and it's very healthy, but I think as far as protein goes, you have much better choices. There are a lot of different things I think people lack in their daily diet and substitute for crap.

If you're talking about the magical kind...well...er...they have their ups and downs

I'm talking about ordinary mushrooms as a main meal. They act like sponges, sucking up flavour. Maybe I just have a soft spot for them, but mushrooms with garlic, pepper, white wine and a little low-fat soft cheese are fantastic. I use shitake and chestnut together, gives two textures and two slightly different flavours.

I'd imagine that it depends on your tastes - I like mushrooms, so I enjoy eating a dish based on them as a main component whereas others like a few on the side, but that's it.

I've never actually looked to see how much protein there is in mushrooms, and doubtless there would be better choices. Tofu and bean curd, maybe? I do know that mushrooms by themselves have little or no fat in them, so if I keep the fat content of everything else right down it turns out very well. I do ensure that I eat enough fat - it is vital to a balanced diet!

Maybe that's what people are lacking in general - an understanding of a balanced diet.

As for Atkins...

[ZAPPER]

Mmmm, mushrooms good. I had always heard that they didn't have much nutritional value, I'll have to look into that. It's all the butter wine and salt that you cook them that will kill you though. As with anything, moderation is needed in your diet and lifestyle and video fourms (jk sorry couldn't help myself) Has anyone here had much luck growing their own shrooms? (I mean for food not for taking a trip and not leaving the farm)

[snafu099]

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beavereater, the US uses a very unsocialist type of healthcare system in that there is relatively little state funding. Most hospitals are basically just businesses. If you have insurance you are covered, otherwise you'll have to pay out of pocket. If you can't do this you go to a cheaper hospital sometimes at the county level. There are pro bono programs and federal and some state aid but the vast majority of people just pay their own way...even if it takes them a lifetime.

So my point is that in the US you generally DON'T pay for someone else's healthcare they do.

Obesity does affect our economy. Corporations have to pay through the nose in their employee insurance plans because of people's bad habits. So much so that some corporations have started to discriminate against obese people and smokers and tell them lose weight and stop smoking or you're fired.

But at the same time we've got a BILLION dollar a year diet product industry.

I also live in the US and I disagree. It doesn't matter where you live, or whether the health care is privite or public, the sum cost is to some extent shared by all, and poor diet or social behavior burdens everyone.

To counter that let me give a personal example, myself.
I worked as a uni0on construction person with health benifets.
Myself and family were fortuneate, we wer very healty and had litlle medical bills yet I paid $4 to 500/mo (by employer as union option to split total wage package). During that time in effect I helped pay for those familes that were less fortunate.

A year ago I was injured on the job and can't work in the trade anymore.
Since I had reached early retirement age, that is what I choose. Very marginal retirement income and no insurance, 2 yrs befor I qualify for medicare.

In the US health care is still a "privite" issue for most people. The choices are as follows:
1. health care through employement or you pay insurance
2. you pay medical bills
3. have assests of less than $1000 and qualify for welfare (Ca. may vary by state)

I don't know the answer, but the over all health cost is just out of sight at least in the US/

While I share the anger and frustration of beavereater in regards to the cost of those that throughh their own choises are responsible for their medical problems, disregarding outright fraud, that alone is not the answer or solution.

Sorry for the rant, lost between the cracks after paying or 64 yrs.

[beavereater]

I've never actually looked to see how much protein there is in mushrooms, and doubtless there would be better choices. Tofu and bean curd, maybe? I do know that mushrooms by themselves have little or no fat in them, so if I keep the fat content of everything else right down it turns out very well. I do ensure that I eat enough fat - it is vital to a balanced diet!

Maybe that's what people are lacking in general - an understanding of a balanced diet.

As for Atkins...

For 100 grams of mushrooms

Calories 22
Total Fat 0.3 g
Saturated Fat 0 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
Sodium 4 mg 0%
Total Carbohydrates 3.2 g
Dietary Fiber 1.2 g
Sugars 1.9 g
Protein 3.1 g
Calcium 3 mg
Potassium 314 mg

If you're interested in knowing a good amount of fat to cosume, keep this in mind. For every 1lbs of lean body mass that you have, you should take in a minimum of 0.5grams of fat. Remember to make it healthy fat. BUT also remember that the "bad fat" (Saturated fat) also plays and important role in your diet. It promotes testosterone. Don't quote me on this, but I believe 15% of all the fat you eat should come from staturated fats. I eat at least 110 grams of fat, mostly from olive oil and sesame seed oil.

It's not only the poor choices made with food, but with other stuff as well. When people decide they want to party hard with drugs and alcohol, it's none of my business. BUT when I have to pay for their rehab and/or other means of getting them clean, I feel a lot less sympathy than most. Cool, you wanna get out of that scene...but you're gonna have to put just as much getting out of it as you did getting into it.

[Mister Flonk-Flonk]

200 grams rice
200 grams lean beef steak (Grilled)
3 tablespoons of sesame seed oil
0.5 tablespoon of basil

Totals
calories: 1135 Fats:61grams Carbs:62grams Protein: 85grams

Allll good stuff...

**** that noise.

[Cobra]

beavereater - only 22 calories?! I thought they'd have a lot more in them that that.

[beavereater]

200 grams rice
200 grams lean beef steak (Grilled)
3 tablespoons of sesame seed oil
0.5 tablespoon of basil

Totals
calories: 1135 Fats:61grams Carbs:62grams Protein: 85grams

Allll good stuff...

**** that noise.

Why? It's would be nice to know your opinion on the matter.

beavereater - only 22 calories?! I thought they'd have a lot more in them that that.

www.calorieking.com

[MackemX]

what's a calorie? Is it tasty?

[ZAPPER]

what's a calorie? Is it tasty?

General rule of thumb: More tasty=More calorie

[beavereater]

what's a calorie? Is it tasty?

1 calorie = 4.18400 joules

But I would have to disagree about more calories being tastier. There are plenty of dishes out there that are very high calorie that taste terrible and very low calorie that taste great. The best is to choose high calories with high nutritinal value.

Or, you could try the McDonald's diet and let us know how you fair against it. I'd be interested in knowing how a person might respond to the same circumstances as Morgan Spurlock did in Super Size Me WITH daily exercise.

[Faustus]

what's a calorie? Is it tasty?

1 calorie = 4.18400 joules

But I would have to disagree about more calories being tastier. There are plenty of dishes out there that are very high calorie that taste terrible and very low calorie that taste great. The best is to choose high calories with high nutritinal value.

Those would be the exceptions that make the rule man. Most everything that taste really good is high calorie, if it wasn't there wouldn't be so many fat people.

Make candy a diet and we all would be skinny.

[ZAPPER]

All joking aside. Yes, you should have to pay for everyones healthcare. Not to get too political, but if you choose to live in a society that dictates that you share in the cost of the upkeep of that society, then you must pay.

I do agree that it may not seem fair that some will make good desisions about their lifestyles and make efforts to live longer and healthier while others do not. Perhaps the best that you can do is to help educate others on the subject. Publish, diet books are big sellers. Manufacture, produce ready made meals that are healthy, cheap, good tasting and conveinent. Get involved in the political process and promote laws that would be benificial to the end results that you are after.

If these overt actions don't suit you, then atleast set an example that a few others may follow. Who knows, maybe someday the "Beaver Eater Diet" will be world famous!

[Faustus]

Who knows, maybe someday the "Beaver Eater Diet" will be world famous!

It already is but the video that explains it is 18+ only or higher depending on your country.

[beavereater]

All joking aside. Yes, you should have to pay for everyones healthcare. Not to get too political, but if you choose to live in a society that dictates that you share in the cost of the upkeep of that society, then you must pay.

I do agree that it may not seem fair that some will make good desisions about their lifestyles and make efforts to live longer and healthier while others do not. Perhaps the best that you can do is to help educate others on the subject. Publish, diet books are big sellers. Manufacture, produce ready made meals that are healthy, cheap, good tasting and conveinent. Get involved in the political process and promote laws that would be benificial to the end results that you are after.

If these overt actions don't suit you, then atleast set an example that a few others may follow. Who knows, maybe someday the "Beaver Eater Diet" will be world famous!

Who knows, maybe someday the "Beaver Eater Diet" will be world famous!

It already is but the video that explains it is 18+ only or higher depending on your country.

That diet is very low calorie.

@ZAPPER, I believe that we should share in the upkeep of our society, but I don't think that I should share in the upkeep of a persons personal bad habits. I take care of my family, but if my mother started using crack and part of the money I put into my family was going to her crack addiction, I wouldn't be putting in anymore money. It's the only people are going to start taking more responsibilty for themselves.

If I went out drinking for a couple weeks and destroyed my liver, why should I get it before some other person who did everything to be as healthy as possible but whose liver just failed, perhaps because of genetics? It's not fair, and that's why I don't think I should have to pay. I wouldn't expect someone else to pay for my well being.

[ZAPPER]

Sorry I can't help. Change it, join it or ignore it that's the system. And that's just the way it is.


BTW. I pay $500 a month for the false feeling that my family and I will be taken care of in the event of medical needs. (this is my own insurance, not counting taxes and such) I am close enough to the medical world to know that this is not going to always be enough. The best that I can hope for is to die in my sleep.