Do you always burn the audio_ts folder too?

[yoda313]

So do you burn just the video_ts folder or do you burn both as you're supposed to when you make a dvd?

When I first found out the audio_ts folder didn't do anything a few years ago I stopped burning it and just burnt the video_ts folder. But then after more reading here I decided I might as well leave it in since its needed by the specs and it takes up no space.

So do you?

[jtoolman2000]

I always create ISOs with DVD Shrink and burn that in Decrypter so the AUDIO_TS folder is automatically included.

[hudsonf]

When I first started I heared it was needed to make the dvd more compatible. Since it uses no space I still include it.

[gadgetguy]

Always have, always will. When I started doing DVDs Nero automatically put it in. I didn't know why, but I saw no reason not to leave it. Later on I learned that it's in the specs and have included it ever since for maximum compatibility.

[DRP]

I only just found out it wasn't required. The 2nd & 3rd LOTR PAL R4 retail discs in fact don't have AUDIO_TS folders on them at all. The first one does though. To answer the question though, yes I do burn it because I use Nero and it doesn't allow you the option to remove it. But I see no reason to remove it anyway.

[adam]

I seriously doubt the DVD specs ever required it for regular DVDs. More commercial DVDs than not don't bother to put it in there. Even some of the first DVD releases ever occasionally omitted it so I don't buy the argument that old DVD players will choke without it.

With that said, I always use IMGTools classic to make an iso first and it creates the folder automatically so yes I do include it.

[redwudz]

I still leave it in if the software creates one. Easier than deleting it most of the time.

[lordsmurf]

I do.

[jimmalenko]

Yes.

Nero Express creates it by default in its DVD-Video template so I just leave it there.

[Noahtuck]

Yep!!
there were a few times a long time ago that i didn't, but 99.9% i did and always have for a long time.
Even back before Nero Express made them by default, i would still make one and add it with the VIDEO_TS folder.

I seriously doubt the DVD specs ever required it for regular DVDs. More commercial DVDs than not don't bother to put it in there. Even some of the first DVD releases ever occasionally omitted it so I don't buy the argument that old DVD players will choke without it.

Yep!! i thought of that along time ago also & i used to put extra stuff in there and never had anyone complain about it being a problem but since the little blue bugger brought up that a DVD player that plays DVD AUDIO might have a problem with something other than the files that were meant to be in there i stopped... but i may test it out now as way back then i did not have a DVD AUDIO player, and i noticed on mine it lets you choose which folder to look in first, and i have it set to look in the AUDIO_TS folder first as i use it for DVD AUDIO.

I always create ISOs with DVD Shrink and burn that in Decrypter so the AUDIO_TS folder is automatically included.

Huh... i know DVD Decrypter does not have anything to do with whether or not an AUDIO_TS folder is included and i never checked to see if DVD Shrink did, but i guess it does... as i have checked dvd's i have made with DVD Shrink and remember it being there, never really thought about it before though

[Bodyslide]

Yes, I still use it......

[waheed]

Yes I always include it. Though not required, theres no harm in including the AUDIO_TS Folder.

I know that the AUDIO_TS folder was specifically designed for DVD AUDIO which needs a dvd audio capable player to play them. Some people do argue that the AUDIO_TS folder is there for compatibility reasons, particularly with some older dvd players. This could be a debatable issue.

[lumis]

as mentioned previously, i strongly doubt the AUDIO_TS folder is required for dvd-video spec. widespread commercial disc's dont have it, and i've never heard of anyone complaining about it..

although i've always burned it, just out of habbit..

i would like for someone who says the AUDIO_TS folder is required to tell me about the dvd player that chokes without it.

[gadgetguy]

I saw it in the specs, but never knew what it was for. I haven't really looked at commercial discs so I didn't know that they didn't include it. So, as usual, this discussion caused me to do some reading and I came across this interesting tidbit at DVDdemystified

DVD-Audio can provide up to 99 still images per track (at typical compression levels about 20 images fit into the 2 MB buffer in the player), with a set of limited transitions (cut in/out, fade in/out, dissolve, and wipe). Unlike DVD-Video, the user can move at will through the slides without interrupting the audio as it plays: this is called a browsable slideshow.

It seems that this request comes up fairly regularly. Do DVD-players play AudioDVD as well as VideoDVD or does it require a special player?

(Edit: For the record, even if it's not required, I'll continue to include the AudioTS folder.)

[adam]

gadgetguy its no big secret that DVD-Audio discs can only be played on players with specific DVD-Audio support. Its not the existence of the folder we question, obviously its for DVD-Audio discs, its the purported inclusion of that folder in the DVD-Video requirements. There's no logical reason for it. The formats are completely different.

The ONLY evidence we have that the folder is necessary is simply the fact that many DVDs included it...for no other apparant reason. But even more DVDs omit it. Its a rumor, nothing more. But since its a harmless rumor most people seem to still do it.

[ghoster]

yep

[gadgetguy]

Adam,
OK, but I guess it wasn't obvious to me, since until this thread I wasn't really even aware of DVD-Audio. (I'd heard the term, but was never interested enough to read up on it before.)

[Faustus]

Every time. Its basicly an automatic action at this point. I don't even really think about it.

[yoda313]

gadgetguy its no big secret that DVD-Audio discs can only be played on players with specific DVD-Audio support. Its not the existence of the folder we question, obviously its for DVD-Audio discs, its the purported inclusion of that folder in the DVD-Video requirements. There's no logical reason for it. The formats are completely different.

Just a little offtopic here. I know the SACD audio discs need a special player to operate. But can't you play DVD-AUDIO discs in a regular player? The way I understand them you'll be able to get regular 5.1 audio but some video features and the "enhanced sound" features won't be as strong as if you had a dedicated dvd-audio player. Is that true?

[adam]

Just a little offtopic here. I know the SACD audio discs need a special player to operate. But can't you play DVD-AUDIO discs in a regular player? The way I understand them you'll be able to get regular 5.1 audio but some video features and the "enhanced sound" features won't be as strong as if you had a dedicated dvd-audio player. Is that true?

No.

[yoda313]

Just a little offtopic here. I know the SACD audio discs need a special player to operate. But can't you play DVD-AUDIO discs in a regular player? The way I understand them you'll be able to get regular 5.1 audio but some video features and the "enhanced sound" features won't be as strong as if you had a dedicated dvd-audio player. Is that true?

No.

Really??? I thought at least the video would play. Its really that different then?

[ntscuser]

Just a little offtopic here. I know the SACD audio discs need a special player to operate. But can't you play DVD-AUDIO discs in a regular player? The way I understand them you'll be able to get regular 5.1 audio but some video features and the "enhanced sound" features won't be as strong as if you had a dedicated dvd-audio player. Is that true?

True DVD Audio uses uncompressed 5.1 PCM which can only be decoded to six-chennel analogue by a suitable player. These days you are more likely to find a Hybrid DVD Audio disc which includes compressed 5.1 Dolby Digital or other tracks which can be played in a regular machine.

[Noahtuck]

Just a little offtopic here. I know the SACD audio discs need a special player to operate. But can't you play DVD-AUDIO discs in a regular player? The way I understand them you'll be able to get regular 5.1 audio but some video features and the "enhanced sound" features won't be as strong as if you had a dedicated dvd-audio player. Is that true?

No.

Actually, huh... i have a very large collection of DVD-AUDIO disc's, besides the AUDIO_TS folder with the dvd-audio files in it, that can only be played on a dvd-audio capable player, they also include a standard VIDEO_TS folder with the exact same track listing in either DD or DTS....
I have yet to own a dvd-audio disc that does not have both.

So yes, you can play dvd-audio disc's in a standard dvd player 8)

But as yoda313 mentioned, alot of times the videos or extras besides the audio track will not be available on a standard dvd player.

And the 2 DVD-AUDIO (SACD capable also) players that i have now, you can go into the menu and choose which folder you want it to look at first, i set mine to the AUDIO_TS folder so if i put in a standard dvd it just goes to the standard VIDEO_TS folder if it see's the AUDIO_TS folder is empty, and of course if it's a dvd-audio it plays the files from the AUDIO_TS folder.

[NiteLite]

So yes, you can play dvd-audio disc's in a standard dvd player

You may can play it but you will not here real DVD-Audio high resolution 5.1 sound. To here the true 5.1 analog you need a dedicated DVD-A player with the 6 audio cables output to your receiver's external input.
The sound you get on a regular DVD player is from a Dolby or DTS track added to the disc.
As stated above to get the actual 5.1 DVD Audio high res sound does require a DVD-Audio player.
There is a difference. Buy one today.

[waheed]

Buy one today.

Dont bother unless you really want one. DVD Audio IMO is a failed format just like SACD. Availability of discs and tracks are limited. Besides, most people dont even have a clue what DVD Audio (or SACD) is.

[adam]

Actually, huh... i have a very large collection of DVD-AUDIO disc's, besides the AUDIO_TS folder with the dvd-audio files in it, that can only be played on a dvd-audio capable player, they also include a standard VIDEO_TS folder with the exact same track listing in either DD or DTS....
I have yet to own a dvd-audio disc that does not have both.

So yes, you can play dvd-audio disc's in a standard dvd player 8)

Well no kidding, because you aren't playing the DVD-Audio component you are playing the DVD-Video part. I can stick a .txt file on that disc too, that doesn't mean that Word can play DVD-Audio discs.

The Disc itself is just the medium. Its the content that falls within one format or the other. Just because the disc contains a universal DVD format on it doesn't change the fact that DVD-Audio only plays on DVD-Audio capable players.

[NiteLite]

Dont bother unless you really want one. DVD Audio IMO is a failed format just like SACD. Availability of discs and tracks are limited. Besides, most people dont even have a clue what DVD Audio (or SACD) is.

I agree most dont have a clue to the amazing sound that either format can produce... but failed? Not quite yet. Do bother and pay a couple dollars more and see what you have been missing in the advancement of audio.

The problem is that lots of people just dont care about "good" sound. They are satisfied with their compress mp3s and a cheap set of headphones.
DVD-A & SACD have always been for a limited market but I have yet to demo either and not have the listener blown away by the quality of sound.
To be able to hear "The Dark Side Of The Moon" in multi-channel format the way it was originally mastered made the small price of the hardware worth it.
It's up to us to push the product, demo for friends, etc.
We do not hear in 2 channel sound but multi directional and multi channel sound just makes sense. I wish more people would at least check it out.
It's a much better format than low res 2-channel CD audio. and "should" have been the accepted next step in the audio evolution.
Regards,
NL

[waheed]

I agree most dont have a clue to the amazing sound that either format can produce... but failed? Not quite yet. Do bother and pay a couple dollars more and see what you have been missing in the advancement of audio.

The problem is that lots of people just dont care about "good" sound. They are satisfied with their compress mp3s and a cheap set of headphones.
DVD-A & SACD have always been for a limited market but I have yet to demo either and not have the listener blown away by the quality of sound.
To be able to hear "The Dark Side Of The Moon" in multi-channel format the way it was originally mastered made the small price of the hardware worth it.
It's up to us to push the product, demo for friends, etc.
We do not hear in 2 channel sound but multi directional and multi channel sound just makes sense. I wish more people would at least check it out.
It's a much better format than low res 2-channel CD audio. and "should" have been the accepted next step in the audio evolution.
Regards,
NL

I do agree that DVD Audio is a far superior format than CD, and even DD/DTS. My PC is capable on playing DVD Audio (I have a Audigy 2 Platinum) and I admit it sounds awsome. However, as you pointed out, many people dont care for it and are happy with low quality MP3s. This is why its been failing. Not just that, there are too limited tracks available in DVD Audio or SACD. Can you get the latest chart releases in DVD Audio format, I think not. We need more people buying the format and more studios releasing tracks in this format, otherwise its going nowhere. Another factor is the use of tough copy protections. I can see why studios implement it (to reduce piracy) but this also prevents people from making personal backups of their favorite tracks. Nevertheless, DVD Audio has already been cracked.

DVD Audio is restricted to a small minority of people. If I need to buy a DVD Audio disc (which to date I haven't), it would need to be online, cos no local store (even HMV) nearby where I live sells it. Besides, I even asked one of the guys at HMV, he was culeless about DVD Audio and directed me to music DVD Videos

[ntscuser]

DVD-Audio is 'dead' chiefly because it's been replaced by SACD as the six-channel surround system of choice. That is because Sony made SACD standard even on it's entry-level players right from the start whereas DVD-Audio even now is limited to mid-range machines with elaborate audio options. By the time DVD-Audio became affordable to most people many studios had already defected to SACD and the titles which people had previously wanted were no longer available. As a dealer I still get requests for DVD-Audio titles which are long out of print.