is it possible to leave video untouched from dvd9 to dvd5

[sangleweb]

I see lots of movies that is ripped by other labeling as video is untouched and extras are removed. Could they really do this? I could never get DVD shrink to have the main movie 100% while removing the extra. I wonder what software can do this if possible. Thanks.

[yoda313]

Well some could get close. If its an hour and half or less you could get really close to uncompressed from 9 to 5. Though you will still have some compression depending on the audio options. If you leave all of the soundtracks and commentary in place you'll have to sacrifice picture quality.

To me 70% is acceptable in most cases since I only have a standard tv. For me surround sound is more important in backups than absolute perfection in the picture. Since compressed movies on a backup still look loads better than vhs.

[garry]

Start by deleting the other audio languages you do not need (could be a few hundred MB),Change some of the trailers & directors bits to photos & just watch the % increase.
THe main movie in some cases does not need to be touched but in some cases may only be compressed a few %.

[ebenton]

DVD XCopy or DVD Xcopy Express from 321 Studios does this. The express version would do just the movie with a one-click interface. Unfortunately, 321 Studios got sued by the movie studios and lost and went out of business. So unless you can find an old copy of the installation package for this, as well as a license key code (I *think* they had key codes, anyway.) this won't do you any good. Looks like you are stuck using other editors and encoders/transcoders.

[waheed]

Use DVD Shrink is re-author mode. Neglect the menu, extras and any additional audio streams.

This is limit the compression required and in some cases as you would suggest, no compression is required. This varies depending on the DVD.

[BobK]

DVD XCopy or DVD Xcopy Express from 321 Studios does this....

Unfortunately, 321 Studios got sued by the movie studios and lost and went out of business.

Not true. Neither DVDXCopy or Xpress would do it any better than DVDShrink.

If the movie files are too large to fit on a DVD 5 then you just can't put the movie on a DVD 5 at 100%. If the movie files are small enough to fit on a DVD 5 then DVDShrink will put them on a DVD 5 at 100%.

And while it was unfortunate for 321 that they got sued and went out of business, I don't see that it's unfortunate that people were forced to use a free program instead having the option to spend $100 for DVDXCopy which was actually not as good as DVDShrink in many ways.

[ebenton]

BobK,
Where did I say that DVD X Copy did anything better than DVD Shrink? I just said that it would do a movie-only DVD copy with just one click or so. You wouldn't have to actually look at or even know what the structure of the DVD was so that you could select or deselect things. Just click a button and go. It wasn't free and they actually packaged their software in a box and sold it at Circuit City, etc. This is one reason why they got sued. If they had stayed online-only, they'd probably still be in business.
And why did you quote me as saying that,

"DVD XCopy or DVD Xcopy Express from 321 Studios does this....

Unfortunately, 321 Studios got sued by the movie studios and lost and went out of business."

And then say yourself, "Not true."? What's not true about either of those quotes?

[BobK]

BobK,
Where did I say that DVD X Copy did anything better than DVD Shrink?

You didn't say that. Nor did I claim that you said that.

The question asked was "I see lots of movies that is ripped by other labeling as video is untouched and extras are removed. Could they really do this? I could never get DVD shrink to have the main movie 100%"

Your reply was "DVD XCopy or DVD Xcopy Express from 321 Studios does this."

That is not true. DVDXCopy can sometimes leave the video untouched- just as DVDShrink. But neither will leave the video untouched and 100% unless the video is small enough to fit on a DVD5 to start with.

Doing a movie-only copy does not automatically mean that it will be a 1-to-1 copy- that only happens if the original movie will fit on a DVD-5. If the original movie is 5 gig (or 6, or 7, or even 4.5) there is no way you can copy it to a DVD-5 leaving the video untouched at 100%.

And why did you quote me as saying that,

"DVD XCopy or DVD Xcopy Express from 321 Studios does this....

Unfortunately, 321 Studios got sued by the movie studios and lost and went out of business."

And then say yourself, "Not true."? What's not true about either of those quotes?

I quoted you as saying that because that's what you said. That's a direct quote of the first sentence of you previous post.

As to what's not true about the first sentence- I just covered that.

As to the second sentence, I wasn't referring to that when I said "not true", but whether or not it's unfortunately is a matter of opinion.

[Seeker47]

To me 70% is acceptable in most cases since I only have a standard tv. For me surround sound is more important in backups than absolute perfection in the picture. Since compressed movies on a backup still look loads better than vhs.

Agreed, for the most part. It's personal taste -- I tend to draw the line at 80 %, and would much rather go 1:1 whenever possible. Frequently it is possible, particularly if you happen to like the more modestly budgeted Indie films, which generally top out at 90 minutes. You will probably have to cut loose the extras, non-essential language and / or audio stream options, and possibly the menus.

The only alternative is to use a costly DL blank, or one of the backup programs that split the DVD-9 contents and parcel them out to a couple of DVD-5s. There are a few of those solutions in the Tools Download section.

[habakuk]

I agree to BobK when he says

If the original movie is 5 gig (or 6, or 7, or even 4.5) there is no way you can copy it to a DVD-5 leaving the video untouched at 100%

Often menus and extras take a lot of gigs on a dvd. I always use DVDShrink to remove them by ripping only the main movie with disabling unwanted or unneeded adio streams and subtitles or by replacing extras by still images. In conjunction with setting the compression rate for the menus manually I often get the main movie with 100%.

Again: If the amount on the original dvd does not fit to a dvd5, there is NO way to copy it untouched!

[waheed]

I usually like to keep the menu + movie only and omit everything else. Thats just my preference. For this, I rip with DVD Decrypter, use either TitleSetBlanker or VobBlanker to strip out the extras including warning screens, then use DVD Shrink to compress, taking out any additional audio streams like the directors commentary.

The amount of compression varies depending on the DVD. Sometimes, I can get 100% (no compression) with menu included, and sometimes I need to compress.

How much quality loss are you willing to sacrifice depends on the size of your TV. You will notice the quality loss more redily if viewed on; say 50" TV than compared with a 17" TV. In fact, you may not even notice anything on a 17" TV.

[sangleweb]

Thanks for suggestions and information. They are really good and great advice. I am getting a better understanding of all this stuff.

[greymalkin]

if you do have to compress it, you may find solace in the fact that there is a "deep analysis" mode that should yield better results then the default compression on the final video. I crammed all 3 back to the future movies together and had to compress it waaaay down to like 60% to get it to even fit on a DL and on my 27" TV i can barely tell the difference.

I put LOTR ROTK (the NON extended version) on a single layer DVD. The video file alone was 6.5gb. Another time when compression had to be pretty high, but once again, looked fabulous on my tv once done considering all the compression.

I'm sure we can get away with this type of thing because of the incredibly high quality of the video to begin with...

[Mister Flonk-Flonk]

When I want to do this I rip the movie with DVD Decrypter in IFO mode and set it to extract the chapter info for DVD-Lab (you can select whichever program/format you prefer) then I just re-author & burn everything. I usually do this with the movies that have the 4:3 & the 16:9 versions on the same disc. I either pick the version I prefer or I do them both on individual discs. 1:1 copy, zero compression/quality loss. You can either use the original menus or make your own. Add whatever extras you want or just leave them all out.

[Rich86]

Lots of movies originally taking up a dvd-9 will fit in a single layer if you limit what you select to only the essentials. The length of the movie (time) has little to do with whether it fits or not. Even large vob files are not necessarily a good indicator, esp. if numerous or large (ie. dts) sountracks are included in the original and are unneeded. Subtitles take up little space.