PAL & NTSC on same DVD Disc??

[carrspaints]

Hi, I have holiday video footage recorded on my Canon XM2 camcorder (this is the PAL format). I also have a DVD of a dive I did but this was recorded using a NTSC video recorder.

I want to edit a holiday video using Sony Vegas 6 that will include both the PAL footage and that recorded in NTSC. Is it possible for me to capture the PAL video from my camera and then copy the NTSC formatted video off the DVD and include it in the same project as the PAL video material. In other words, can you edit both NTSC AND PAL footage with Sony Vegas to eventually burn onto one DVD or do I need to convert frames so that they are all equal etc? Many thanks.

[hech54]

The only way you can do it is with NO menu.
You're better off re-encoding the DV footage to match the DVD footage....supposedly it is easier.
I don't have Vegas but it MAY convert for you. Ulead Movie Factory and others do. You just need to specify your output before starting the project.

[carrspaints]

Hi and thanks. I'm not making a menu based DVD. Can you confirm if Sony Vegas will allow me to place both NTSC & PAL on the same timeline and then render this as a DVD compatible MPEG2 file? And if so, will this DVD play in a DVD player since the frame rates on some sections will be different, as will the resolution (720x756) etc. Many thanks for your help.

[GreyDeath]

Sure you can put both PAL and NTSC on the same timeline, but it will only have the framerate of your Project when you go to encode. From what I'm understanding, you want your NTSC footage to become PAL? That can be done. Just make your Project for a PAL compatible DVD. Either way, Vegas is going to be reencoding something, even your PAL DVD footage.

The only way to not reencode your PAL footage is to render your NTSC footage in Vegas, keeping the PAL footage out of it, then Merge them together in TMPGEnc or some other merging program.

[steptoe]

I use TMPGenc DVD Author and it will NOT allow NTSC and PAL on the same DVD, so I use a little utility called DVD Patcher

All it does is patches the header to fool the software into thinking its a PAL or NTSC movie, the I create the output files, then simply re-patch them back to whatever format BEFORE I burn the DVD


This method works work with ANY software than complains about mixing NTSC and PAL on the same DVD


It would make out life a lot easier of software developers simply warned us or made us choose that we know it will produce a non-standard DVD instead of refusing to go any further, this is all just so users don't moan to them about it not working correctly in all their players

[GreyDeath]

I think that most developers program things to suit the simple layman. Having both PAL and NTSC will confuse most people when they put it in their DVD Player and they wonder why the picture is in black and white with a vertical scroll.

Many a times my friend has given me a DVD saying it doesn't play in his player, and I find out it's in PAL. Of course, newer players that can play DivX and other AVI's can translate the framerate into whatever region you're in. Nice.

[guns1inger]

the dvd spec does not allow for both formats on the same disk, and many players cannot successfully switch formats while on the same disk. DVD Lab Pro does allow you to author a mixed format disk, but warns you that it is outside the spec.

The patch method may work for you, but as it doesn't actually change the format, just tries to trick the authoring software and/or player, there is no guarantee that it will solve your problem.

Only a full format conversion will give you best chance at everything work as expected most of the time.

[levick]

[quote="carrspaints"]Hi, I have holiday video footage recorded on my Canon XM2 camcorder (this is the PAL format). I also have a DVD of a dive I did but this was recorded using a NTSC video recorder.[quote]

I have managed to do this using PGCEdit, it will allow you to import VTS titles from seperate dvds (Recordings). You do have to set up some navigation instructions however. But it will work, I found if I navigated from PAL to NTSC through the menu PGCs the DVD player appeared to cope with the format change.

[guns1inger]

Some will cope, some will swicth to black and white, some will go into a picture roll. No way to predict how any particular player will react. I have always owned Pioneer kit, and it has played pretty much anything I have thrown at it. Even my (very) old Pioneer 414 could cope with pretty much anything on a DVD. But I have seen some generic chinese kit choke on these hybrid disks, as well as some name brands do peculiar things.