Please ,someone use this dvd disc brands ?

[stoico1]

Hi there...please ,I must buy dvd-r blank discs and I wanna know if this
brands are good ...

BenQ

Intenso (this is the first time that I heard about this brand)

Someone use this brands? I use Imation ,but the store near from my work
sells only BenQ and "Intenso",so I would be interested in some ratings of
this brands...

Regards

Antonio in Lima,Peru (South America)

[jimmalenko]

Brands mean nothing - it's the Media ID that speaks volumes ...


http://www.nomorecoasters.com


Once you have the Media ID, check out the DVD Media link to your left.

[BetaMaster]

I had very good results with 4X +R Benq, but poor with 8X -R.

[ZippyP.]

I had very good results with 4X +R Benq, but poor with 8X -R.

Any media ID for those?

[slacker]

I keep reading over and over that "brands mean nothing". Please, can I puke now? Has anybody taken Business 101? Both the manufacturer and distributor share in the responsibility of ensuring that the PRODUCT meets the expectations of the customer. The media id represents the manufacturer and the brand represents the distributor. They are EQUALLY important and should BOTH be considered when evaluating media for purchase. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know his arse from hole in the wall. Sorry guys, but once you scan this entire site three or four times it becomes fairly easy to weed out the BS and heresy from the truth and practical reality!

BTW, nomorecoasters.com is EXTREMELY outdated so take it ALL with a grain of SALT and, ABOVE ALL, do your OWN research!

From my own emperical evidence, TDK and VERBATIM rock all the time, every time. Maxell and Sony suck big time. Off brands I don't even try.

[jimmalenko]

@slacker:
You do know that a number of brands use discs from more than one manufacturer, and that it is the manufacturer that gives you the indication of quality of the disc, and that it is the media ID that tells you the manufacturer ?

So if you buy Verbatims based purely on brand, you could be getting discs from CMC, Taiyo Yuden, Ricoh or Ritek, and you have little to no way of telling which ones you have without the Media ID (obvious things like Made In Japan written on the packaging excluded). All the distributor does is put their name on the product and possibly even take care of the packaging - which has little to no impact on the way the discs perform.

And IMHO you're living in a dream world if you think that ALL manufacturers and ALL distributors actually give a damn about the product "meeting the expectations of the customer". In a perfect world, maybe - but this world is far from perfect and $$$ profit is generally far more important in business strategy rather than customer satisfaction.

[Adder_78]

You do know that a number of brands use discs from more than one manufacturer, and that it is the manufacturer that gives you the indication of quality of the disc, and that it is the media ID that tells you the manufacturer ?

Actually no. For example Ritek is also manufacturing many big brands with their own mediacode.

[jimmalenko]

You do know that a number of brands use discs from more than one manufacturer, and that it is the manufacturer that gives you the indication of quality of the disc, and that it is the media ID that tells you the manufacturer ?

Actually no. For example Ritek is also manufacturing many big brands with their own mediacode.

Unless I'm missing something, you're disagreeing by agreeing with me.

RITEK (the manufacturer) use their own media code. This tells you it's manufactured by RITEK. RITEK discs are sold under many different brand names, including RITEK (the brand). In the end, no matter what the brand, the media code tells you that RITEK manufactured it.

[Adder_78]

You do know that a number of brands use discs from more than one manufacturer, and that it is the manufacturer that gives you the indication of quality of the disc, and that it is the media ID that tells you the manufacturer ?

Actually no. For example Ritek is also manufacturing many big brands with their own mediacode.

Unless I'm missing something, you're disagreeing by agreeing with me.

RITEK (the manufacturer) use their own media code. This tells you it's manufactured by RITEK. RITEK discs are sold under many different brand names, including RITEK (the brand). In the end, no matter what the brand, the media code tells you that RITEK manufactured it.

Actually I ment that Ritek is also manufacturing with their OEM customers MID. Not with Ritek MID

[lordsmurf]

I keep reading over and over that "brands mean nothing". Please, can I puke now? Has anybody taken Business 101?..........BTW, nomorecoasters.com is EXTREMELY outdated so take it ALL with a grain of SALT and, ABOVE ALL, do your OWN research!

You have no idea at all what you're talking about. It's obvious you have done zero research. Please take your own advice.

The media "world" doesn't change but a couple times per year. Media companies R&D new media and then tend stay with them for about 6 months each (more or less, usually more). Branding companies contract out for the media and put their pretty pictures on top, they have no control over the media creation process (unless they happen to be subsidiaries of the same company, like Verbatim and Mitsubishi).

nomorecoasters.com is completely up to date, FYI.

If you want to learn about "business 101", go to a community college and enroll. Please refer to the chapters that discuss vendors and distribution, as well as retail branding.

It's probably safe to assume you're also unaware that a lot of "big name" products like Sony are made by the same people that make Brand-X. The only difference being the pretty "Sony" sticker that makes it cost $300, while the Brand-X version (the same piece of equipment!) is $200. Or more accurate with the times, the Sony uses off-the-shelf Chinese/Taiwanese kits and assembles the units in Japan, MAYBE adding in a spiffy feature or two of their own making.

Again, brand means nothing. Nothing at all. How about trying to read guides instead of just blowing them off? "TDK" being good probably means you avoided the CMC media. And stating "Maxell sucks" means you likely choked on some RITEK discs.

The thing Adder mentions, while true, is not common at all. For example, for a short time Prodisc was allowed to use MCC codes, but there was a lot more to it. MCC was working with a number of companies last year, including MBI, CMC and PRODISC. Part of the "consequence" was a lot of media for a short burst of time was MCC coded but PRODISC made. It was easy to spot, it was sold as Prodisc DVD-R and came in Prodisc wrappers. RITEK has also done some stuff with RICOH in the past, but the media code crossover does not happen much anymore since RITEK generated their own DVD+R MIDs.

Of course, then comes the even more confusing issue when one company oversees the production for another company. Like how CMC real estate houses some production of MCC and TDK media, but they are not at all CMC discs. They are still very much MCC and TDK using their own processes and materials.

edited for spelling

[Denvers Dawgs]

And this is why Lordsmurf is usually on the righ track about media....who else has done this much research......

[copiador]

Too bad that media code is not printed on the box. You need to buy the blannk DVDs and then find out the media code. If you are unlucky and get DVDs with bad media code, the money was wasted. It happened to me

[Adder_78]

The thing Adder mentions, while true, is not common at all.

Actually it's very common (but not so public).

[slacker]

jimmalenko,

I understand all the technical jargon, and the fact that distributors use multiple manufacturers, and manufacturers provide product to multiple distributors. That goes without saying. And, NO, I don't base my purchasees SOLELY on the brand. That is NOT what I said.

Let me clarify my perspective. I am a business man. I am concerned about production and service quality. I do NOT have the time to sit around testing every fraking media code in the world. If I find I need that because the market becomes too unstable I'll pay a techie to do that for me. I need to rely on distributors to provide quality products and services. As long as they do that I will stay with them. I need to get a job done. It is one thing to sit around chewing the fat about media codes, and quite another to run an effective long term operation. Many people are in the same boat as I on varying scales. The concept stays the same. Time is money.

Technical guides serve a REAL purpose. I don't mean to belittle their value. However, I do NOT count on technical data to provide me with an answer. I rely on technical data to provide me with a snapshot in time to bring to light important trends and patterns in the market. That is all. Technical data is ONLY a snapshot in time. And I look at multiple time frames to arrive at a decision. If the technical data is updated on a regular basis and reliable, more power to the author. I pay vendors for reliable, up to the minute data!

The interaction between the manufacturer and the distributor happens on executive, engineering and operational levels as a matter of doing business. Your best distributors try to provide quality media on a stable, consistent basis. Their mission is to keep you as a customer across as many products as possible. Your worst distributors bounce around trying to get the cheapest immediate deal they can to expand their profit margins TODAY. The customer is secondary.

Over the LONG HAUL, your BEST distributors ABSOLUTELY exert an influence over the final product (positively for the most part), and ultimately effect the efficiency and quality of your personal operation (large or small). You are discarding key info in your purchasing decision if you do NOT consider the track record of BOTH your manufacturer and distributor. The manufacturing info is critical, but ABSOLUTELY NOT the whole story. Like I said, business 101.

[jimmalenko]

@slacker:
You remind me of the big-wigs at my work:

- They have no concern for (nor the technical mind to even understand) exactly how hard it is to actually do something, just so long as it is completed before schedule and under budget.

- They think they can just pay someone to get the job done, and that throwing money at something or "paying somebody to do it" is the way to get things done.

- They seem to forget quite frequently that while they may make the decisions and lead the business, it is the "peasants" on the floor that actually "do", and make those decisions look good by actually implementing them.

[lordsmurf]

Quit hijacking this thread with long-winded off-topic posts.

[aktee]

I don't exactly remember the media-code..
but I had blue (and fancy btw) DVD+R BenQ.

When burned at 8x, errors everywhere.
When burned at 4x = VERY GOOD.

I love 'em. Just don't burn too fast =).