Convince me to buy a JVC DR-M100S

[captcrunch]

Ok, I own the panasonic dmr ES10 and I have some rare music videotapes with some generations on them.I just recorded a video which is 1hr 45min and set it for 2 hr mode and the end result is small macroblocks(Pixels) with slight artifacts.Now I know that these blocks and artifacts might not show up on recording a tv signal or a very clean videotape, but I have a collection of rare generated videotapes.Also setting the fr mode for about 1hr 45 min might even make a difference,a cleaner difference.Now my point is if I buy a JVC DR-M100S and set it for 2HR mode will I see the macroblocks and artifacts??And will it handle not so well recorded videotapes (Dropouts ect.)??I know the saying Trash in trash out but I didn't ask for extra trash.It sucks to see the slight beginings of a vcd on a 2hr mode dvd burner.I believe the real test lies on generated sources.Lordsmurf if your reading this you are right about this recorder, Ive tried not to read your posts or look away because I own one and been in a state of denial of your reviews,But you are correct sir.Please give feedback.

[trhouse]

Here are two captures provided by gshelley61 from another thread,

This is the Panasonic ES10 in SP mode with a fast action scene from a VHS copy of "Cool Hand Luke". VHS was used to provide a less than perfect source for the test.



the same scene with the JVC M10,



Both show blocks but the JVC blocks are less distinct due to less gradation in the color between blocks.

I have not seen what a Pioneer DVR-531H can do but gshelley61 says the "quasi" two pass VBR does a good job with such scenes. It sounds worth a look.

[captcrunch]

Thanks for this comparison.I really don't see a difference here at all.I noticed macroblocks are more present with poor quality tapes and would love to see the jvc's quality with poor generated recordings.
I guess it makes me a little happier to know there is not much of a change here.I would love to see more.

[trhouse]

Try this link,

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=263530&start=90

gshelley61 does a nice comparison with a source showing film grain and how the ES10 and M10 affect it. They are the images toward the end.

[lordsmurf]

Still images are worthless.

The biggest issue with macroblocks is when perceived in motion. The ever-changing patchwork pattern that makes it look like microbes have invaded your tv set and are nesting on the tv screen.

With the JVC, you will not see this. For starters, it has block suppression technology, which is mainly just having a good encoder and ability to filter out noise that causes such noise to begin with. And then whatever imperfection exist (due to high motion usually), is not noticeable because the patchwork pattern is stagnant, it's not changing 30 times per second, so you don't get the feeling of "IT'S ALIVE!".

This is one of those things that cannot adequately be shown with still, video clips on a computer, or words. You need to go try one out for yourself. I doubt you'd be disappointed.

[mazinz]

i have the panny dmr-hs2 deck. After reading so many wonderful comments about the jvc, i gave it a try.

My test was a dvd made with the panny deck (set at the 4 hour speed, the contents used was 3hrs 59mins) from a 25 year old beta max tape (recorded off tv). I knew that if anything was good for a comparison, this would provide an excellent example.

So i ran the beta tape into the jvc drm100s deck.... In the end my jaw hit the floor. It was like watching night and day. It totally blew the panny decks results out of the water and at that point i knew what all the hub-bub was about. Not only was the pic and color better, but their was virtually no macroblocks of anykind and the pre filters made the image better. The jvc did a nice job of cleaning up the pic.

I was fully converted after that. However the jvc does not have a tbc in it (or appears not to). So what I do now is daisy chain the video signal through my panny deck for its sync filters and then into my jvc.

Again you will not go wrong by purchasing this machine. This was one of the best investments I had made in a long time

[trhouse]

The best test is to see a JVC M100 for yourself. Not only are there limitations due to what and how much can be presented on this site but there are subjective issues as well.

[donpedro]

i have the panny dmr-hs2 deck....
So i ran the beta tape into the jvc drm100s deck....

Is it realy fair to compare so old Panasonic model with newer JVC ?

[lordsmurf]

Is it realy fair to compare so old Panasonic model with newer JVC ?

Absolutely. Panasonic has not changed anything on the current models.

With maybe the exception of 720x480 on 4-hour mode. Which was an incredibly stupid move. Even satellite providers, as greedy as they are with bandwidth, are not that dumb.