Encore DVD 2.0 only running on Intel 1.4 Ghz ?!!?

[Zetti]

Hi all,

I've seen on Adobe's "system requirements" page that the new Encore 2.0 would only run on Intel.......they don't mention Athlon XP........

Have they forgotten to mention "Intel or similar" or is it REALLY just Intel ?!

Does anyone have any clue on that ?

Thanks for reading,

Zetti

[aedipuss]

yep it's almost intel or nothing. only the very latest amd dual core 64 bit chips have a crippled version of sse2 on the chip. so 99.99% of amd users are out of luck, and even the lucky 0.01% aren't going to like the performance.

[Baldrick]

i'm running the demo now and it works fine.

athlon 64 3000

[Zetti]

Thanks both for replying, it's very surprisingly to release a product that would run on just one processor

Other opinions are welcome, THANKS AGAIN FOR REPLYING,

Zetti

[Wile_E]

yep it's almost intel or nothing. only the very latest amd dual core 64 bit chips have a crippled version of sse2 on the chip. so 99.99% of amd users are out of luck, and even the lucky 0.01% aren't going to like the performance.

Have any facts like websites with links to back this claim up? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. AMD would never cripple the sse portion of the chip. Where do you think Intel 64-bit extensions came from? AMD. They agreed to be compatible with AMD, since their 64-bit was out first. I got a Athlon64 3200+ and demo works fine here too. My friend has a dual core and he tried it, and it works great for him.

[Zetti]

I have an AMD AthlonXP 2.4 GHz........the Tryout doesnt get installed, it returns me a message saying my processor doesn't support SSE2 instructions.......have never heard about it....

How can you people with AMD run it ? Would I have to set anything in BIOS ?

THanks,

Zetti

[jagabo]

SSE2 was added to the Athlon 64 series. Athlon XP doesn't have it. SSE3 was added to the Athlon 64 rev E about a year ago.

[mikiem]

On the birght side, 'least they warn folks now.

Earlier versions would install on Athlon xp+, but run so poorly, so slow that it reminded me of 386 days.

[Zetti]

It's a pity things are like that...what does the sw has that is "so" important that it'd run only in new processors ?

Version 1.5.1 uns fine with me, Maestro, that is an authoring tool that also accepts DTS audio, runs perfectly for me too;

Encore 2.0 would allow me to retire Maestro, cause as far as i've read, unlike v1.5.1, it now allows the user to place the layer break where desired - necessary for music discs - and also accepts DTS;

I thought that my machine would only be outdated when the new 64-bit processors comes alive

Thanks for writing;

Zetti

[jagabo]

Zetti, There are socket 754 Athlon 64 and Sempron processors with SSE2 that may work with your motherboard (with a BIOS update).

[Zetti]

Thanks Jagabo and all for replying,

Well, on the late months I have thought about an upgrade, this Encore issue would be just one more reason....

Are these AMD64 series compatible with upcoming 64-bit full platforms ?
Does it run Windows 64-bit edition ?

I took a look at Intel's site, it doesn't say clearly which processors have the SSE2 thing, or even SSE3;

If I upgrade, I'd try doing so buying a computer that would run 64-bit softwares;

Thanks again,

Zetti

[jagabo]

My memory was off -- the Athlon XP series uses Socket A not Socket 754. I don't think AMD makes any Socket A processors with 64 bit or SSE2 support. So you're in for a major upgrade (motherboard, CPU, memory) if you want SSE2. A new computer is probably a better idea.

SSE2 was one of the major features introduced with the P4 architecture. I believe all Pentium 4, Pentium D (dual core), and Pentium M (mobile) processors support SSE2.

Win64 supports all the Athlon 64 and Sempron 64 processors. All Pentium D processors are suported. Only some of the P4 series support 64 bits. The Pentium M does not support 64 bits.

[Zetti]

My memory was off -- the Athlon XP series uses Socket A not Socket 754. I don't think AMD makes any Socket A processors with 64 bit or SSE2 support. So you're in for a major upgrade (motherboard, CPU, memory) if you want SSE2. A new computer is probably a better idea.

SSE2 was one of the major features introduced with the P4 architecture. I believe all Pentium 4, Pentium D (dual core), and Pentium M (mobile) processors support SSE2.

Win64 supports all the Athlon 64 and Sempron 64 processors. All Pentium D processors are suported. Only some of the P4 series support 64 bits. The Pentium M does not support 64 bits.

Thanks Jagabo, yeah, I might upgrade soon;

Zetti

[frankb]

Hi,

Just my two cents worth.

I checked out Adobe's site (for Premiere Pro) and found the following info in this link
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/329332.html

It seems that if the AMD Athlon processor has the SSE2 instruction set, Premiere Pro 2 (and Encore DVD 2) will run. The link above provides a link to a nice little tool that indicates whether or not your processor supports SSE, SSE2 an/or SSE3.

Hope this helps,

Frank

[Zetti]

Hi,

Just my two cents worth.

I checked out Adobe's site (for Premiere Pro) and found the following info in this link
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/329332.html

It seems that if the AMD Athlon processor has the SSE2 instruction set, Premiere Pro 2 (and Encore DVD 2) will run. The link above provides a link to a nice little tool that indicates whether or not your processor supports SSE, SSE2 an/or SSE3.

Hope this helps,

Frank

Frank,

BIG thank you, your message was certainly useful, I did all that you recommended, downloaded the tool....but it says that my Athlon XP supports only SSE, not SSE2

I'm now checking ASUS website for possible BIOS update, but I admitt I'm pessimistic....my processor is 4 years old more or less

Thanks anyway,

Zetti

[oldfart13]

So...my lameo old PIII 1GHz runs it and your ultra fast AMD doesn't? Hmmmm....

Have you seen those new Intel in Mac commercials? They are funny. So now Macs will do the same old dumb processes as they purport the PCs do? That's not exactly how they word it but that's my take...

[jagabo]

So...my lameo old PIII 1GHz runs it and your ultra fast AMD doesn't? Hmmmm....

The P3 doesn't have SSE2.

[oldfart13]

Has SSE which apparently (according to the website) allows the software to work....

Hmmm...that may be for v.1.5. No minimum specs for 2.0 listed on the website, only optimal systems. Might still work but be bog slow. No way I am dumping down the trial version to see if it will run. Maybe I can find out if it works by doing some google searches...

[snowyplover]

I wonder anyone has suggestion of SSE2 software emulator for AMD AthlonXP CPU? I remember back in 386 time, there was 387 emulator for people without hardware floating point support.

Since I am AthlonXP 3200 user, the options are:
1)upgrade to Intel P4 or AMD64 (very expensive)
2)try SSE2 emulator if exists (may not be an option)
3)keep Encore 1.5 (and PremierPro 1.5)

I am also wondering what new feature is so IMPORTANT that I have to use Encore 2.0 (and PremierPro 2.0).

JSL

[offline]

Buy a cheap 2nd hand p4 2.4Ghz. Runs faster than a AMD64 for what you want and you can save $$ later for a major upgrade.

[oldfart13]

No can afford such a thing when you are unemployed and taking care of older relatives...

[Zetti]

I wonder anyone has suggestion of SSE2 software emulator for AMD AthlonXP CPU? I remember back in 386 time, there was 387 emulator for people without hardware floating point support.

Since I am AthlonXP 3200 user, the options are:
1)upgrade to Intel P4 or AMD64 (very expensive)
2)try SSE2 emulator if exists (may not be an option)
3)keep Encore 1.5 (and PremierPro 1.5)

I am also wondering what new feature is so IMPORTANT that I have to use Encore 2.0 (and PremierPro 2.0).

JSL

I do music and only music, and I love to use DTS audio track. Currently, I use Maestro for that, it's a very powerful software, but rather old and it lacks functionalities like MPEG2 encoding, built-in menus templates, etc - all menus have to be created manually on an external tool...

To use DTS audio, DL media comes handy.

Encore 1.5 doesn't allow me to choose the layer break point, it chooses one by itself, I mean, it can put the break in the middle of a song and it'd be annoying - 2.0 allows the user to choose the point, like Maestro.

1.5 doesn't get DTS audio - 2.0 does.
2.0 also allows multiple clips on an unique timeline, and has Slideshow functionallity; and I can create a wonderful menu in 5% of the time Maestro takes me !

Basicallly, now I think we're talking about the "Holy Grail" of authoring sw !

One thing isn't still clear: why doesn't Encore accepts the markers from premiere as chapter points ?! It's such a basic idea that it's surprisingly that the "wise" guys at Adobe haven't looked at this.....

Thanks to people adding contributions to this topic !

Zetti

[kush]

~$200-250 is too 'expensive' to upgrade to A64?...You could get an AsRock (Asus value division basically) 939-Dual-SATA2 for ~$65-70, and either a 3200+ or Opteron 144 for ~$130.

The 2 nice bits about that board are that it allows you to use your old 20-pin power supply (assuming it's not a no name bling bling POS - think Antec, etc), and supports both AGP *and* PCI video cards (not at same time of course)..So you could use your old setup until you felt like upgrading it...Memory/etc all could be ported over too, although, I wouldn't unless you have some decent PC3200 sticks..A64 runs just fine with memory dividers though, unlike AXP's. It also has a slot on the board that supposidly will support the upcoming AM2 processors, but I think that's kind of ridiculous - also must have some provision for memory on it too - AM2 would require DDR2 memory...

If $200-250 is still too much, you could get yorself into a motherboard and S754 based Sempron (2800+ maybe higher) for ~$150-$175.. There's even models out now that support AMDs 64-bit instructions, ala S939's. Also, the memory controllers are dual channel, as opposed to the older Semprons, which were single channel..Really the only thing separating S754 Semprons from S939 A64's now are the cache size and ability to support dual-core.

If you consider upgrading though, I still wouldn't bother with S754..While both 754 and 939 are on their way out (2Q/3Q or so this year for AM2), S939 will still live on for a long time, in the form of S939 based Semprons (already on the market for a while, only in OEM [Gateway etc] though)..S939 would also allow for a drop-in upgrade to dual-core later on too, if you so wanted - in particular the AsRock I mentioned is know to support both dual core and 1xx series Opteron's..

..And to end this ramble session, my (main) system in my profile cost me just north of $1,000 US..Not including the memory, OS, or optical drives mind you...Should keep me going well for a few years easy. And with the o/c I've got on it, I've in effect got an FX60 system for less than 1/2 the price..Took me long enough to upgrade from my 1700+ system, and I would never go back...Bottom line - you're looking at a demo of a ~$350+ piece of software..You should at least consider a mobo/CPU upgrade if you'd even be willing to consider that pricetag from Adobe..

[oldfart13]

U.S. dollars + duty + shipping = I have better things to do with that money, like hmmm, I dunno...eat?

[sdsumike619]

any luck on that emulator software?

[jagabo]

any luck on that emulator software?

It would be so glacially slow you wouldn't want to use it.

[sdsumike619]

wow, glacially, now that's a good adverb....alright, so much for Adobe Encore then........