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[twain32]

How am I supposed to know how big the file will be at the end.

I just spent all day converting a file that ended up 704MB which 2 MB to big for a CD.

Never in all my life have I been so frusterated with something

[celtic_druid]

What exactly are you burning? TMPGEnc is an MPEG encoder so for a CD generally it would be used to create (S)(X)VCD's where you can fit 800MB's per CD.

The size of the file is determined by the bitrate and container overhead.

[mats.hogberg]

...and using a bitrate calculator takes the guesswork (and frustration) out of the process.

/Mats

[twain32]

i dont know what u guys are talking about. I didnt see any filesize calculator in tmpg and CD's are 700MB not 800MB!!!

[jtoolman2000]

Well now, converting video to other formats is NEVER exact. No bit rate calculator will EVER be able to predict exactly what the final output file size will be. You may be a few megs up or down. Especially when you do a 2 or more oass encoding. Redo the file but reduce the birate a little bit. This should reduce the file size so that it will fit your CD.
If this sounds a bit vague, it is because you did not go into any details in your oppening post.

[guns1inger]

SVCDs use a different disk structure with less error checks, hence the ability to fit more data on a standard CD.

[twain32]

Well now, converting video to other formats is NEVER exact. No bit rate calculator will EVER be able to predict exactly what the final output file size will be. You may be a few megs up or down. Especially when you do a 2 or more oass encoding. Redo the file but reduce the birate a little bit. This should reduce the file size so that it will fit your CD.
If this sounds a bit vague, it is because you did not go into any details in your oppening post.

not vaugue at all. Why go into great detail if its not neccesary?

[mats.hogberg]

i dont know what u guys are talking about.

I can see that, but you will, if you have patience, and are willing to learn. I even linked to the VideoHelp bitrate calculator in my post.
When you author a VCD/SVCD, the data is written to the CD in another way than when writing data files to a CD. This makes it possible to use almost 800 MB mpeg files as source material for (S)VCD.
To be nitpicking, bitrate calculators are extremely exact; unfortunately the encoders aren't equally exact. As a rule of thumb, reduce the bitrate calcs suggestion by some (5) % for a little safety margin.

/Mats

[twain32]

i dont know what u guys are talking about.

I can see that, but you will, if you have patience, and are willing to learn. I even linked to the VideoHelp bitrate calculator in my post.
When you author a VCD/SVCD, the data is written to the CD in another way than when writing data files to a CD. This makes it possible to use almost 800 MB mpeg files as source material for (S)VCD.
To be nitpicking, bitrate calculators are extremely exact; unfortunately the encoders aren't equally exact. As a rule of thumb, reduce the bitrate calcs suggestion by some (5) % for a little safety margin.

/Mats

but 800MB wont fit on a CD-R!
unless you have fancy 800MB disc in your country

I find it incredible that there isnt any software available that converts AVI to SVCD and automaticlly makes it fit perfectly and supports better aspect ratios. who the hell in their right mind could watch a widescreen film at 480x480 or even worse 480x5xxx????

and to think we have to download a seperate calculator, my god

[guns1inger]

You need to calm down a little and listen to what you are being told.

1. A 700MB CD is only 700MB when written to in a certain way - the way data or CD audio is written. When written in an alternate manner you can get more data into the same space. SVCDs are written this way.

2. The resolutions are fixed if you want compliance so you SVCD plays in your player. If you want more freedom, use Xvid and watch it on your PC instead. You want SVCD, then you are stuck.

3. Mats explained to you how to get it to fit. There are alternatives that take less effort, but generally the output is not as good. If you want quality, learn how to use the tools correctly.

If you want the easiest solution, buy a DVD burner, download VSO's DivxtoDVD, and turn your avis into DVDs at the press of a button.

[mats.hogberg]

and to think we have to download a seperate calculator, my god

Well, I've got ~100 different apps related to video conversion, all in more or less frequent use for different situations. The bitrate calc comes to use in most, if not every project.
If you want some all-in-wonder, try EazyVCD or even Nero. Will they work? Under ideal circumstances: Maybe.

/Mats

[jimmalenko]

Click here:
https://www.videohelp.com/faq#740

800MB of VCD or SVCD compliant MPEG will fit on a 700MB CDR. Trust me


Now we are all here because we like helping people ....... for free. You are here because you're frustrated, and need help with this wonderful yet at times awfully complex hobby we all call video. Surely we can help each other out here


The SVCD standard is 480 x 480 for NTSC or 480 x 576 for PAL. period. Don't like it ? Don't use SVCD


My suggestion would be to see if your player is DivX/XviD or raw MPEG capable. You can do this by going to the DVD Players section to your left. If it is, then you may well be able to burn your AVI to a CD as-is and play it on your settop DVD player. If it isn't, then maybe you can look at investing in one - I have the Zensonic Z330 which I bought for about AUD$140, and it plays everything.


Also please don't forget that people give their time and advice in the hope of spreading their love of video to others, so a little more respect, a little less questioning, and a lot more researching and you'll crack this nut

[twain32]

I dont see where you are coming from at all, I have bee 100% respectful, sure Im frusterated but I have every right to be . This is a newbie forum so please be a little more tolerant about my questioning.

It seems there are some ultra sensitive people around here. I am not the sort of person to be sickeningly polite so I'll warn you right now not to expect that from me.

[Prot]

When you write DATA to a CD, there is overhead, redundancy, and error checkking involved, so only 700 MB can be written.

When creating a VCD, these are not involved, so capacity is increased.

[jimmalenko]

I dont see where you are coming from at all, I have bee 100% respectful, sure Im frusterated but I have every right to be . This is a newbie forum so please be a little more tolerant about my questioning.

It seems there are some ultra sensitive people around here. I am not the sort of person to be sickeningly polite so I'll warn you right now not to expect that from me.

Dude, I was extreeeemely tolerant ....


For people with your cut I would normally give a RTFM and a nice big glass of STFU

[twain32]

I dont see where you are coming from at all, I have bee 100% respectful, sure Im frusterated but I have every right to be . This is a newbie forum so please be a little more tolerant about my questioning.

It seems there are some ultra sensitive people around here. I am not the sort of person to be sickeningly polite so I'll warn you right now not to expect that from me.

Dude, I was extreeeemely tolerant ....


For people with your cut I would normally give a RTFM and a nice big glass of STFU

You basically accused me of being disrespectful, and asked too many questions ( in a newbie forum I might add) then you turn around and say that you have been extremely tolerent. You are out of control fella

If is because i refuse to be sickeningly polite, then deal with it. Dont assume I being rude or disrespectful because of it.

What do you mean "people with your cut?". At this stage I will regard this as a personal attack.

[jimmalenko]

You basically accused me of being disrespectful, and asked too many questions ( in a newbie forum I might add) then you turn around and say that you have been extremely tolerent

What do you mean "people with your cut?". At this stage I regard this as a personal attack.

Nevermind, buddy. No need to blow a gasket.


You haven't heeded the advice of any of the other replies so far so I guess I wouldn't expect you to have heeded my comments as friendly advice ... nothing more.


Good luck

[twain32]

You basically accused me of being disrespectful, and asked too many questions ( in a newbie forum I might add) then you turn around and say that you have been extremely tolerent

What do you mean "people with your cut?". At this stage I regard this as a personal attack.

Nevermind, buddy. No need to blow a gasket.


You haven't heeded the advice of any of the other replies so far so I guess I wouldn't expect you to have heeded my comments as friendly advice ... nothing more.


Good luck

Whos blowing a gasket?
All I have seen is writing on a messageboard, if you perceived it that way then perhaps you are a bit too pre-emptive of your peers.

What makes you think I havent Heeded (whatever that means) advice of others? That would be an ASSumtion. If you are talking about the SVCD 800MB thing then you are out of line. In fact you are out of line with everything you have accused me of here tonight. If you cant handle newbie questions then stay th f**k away from the newbie board.

You are like an emu with its head in the sand.
"People of my cut to STFU and RTFM" is not friendly dude. Hiding behind your "a bit of freindly advice" comment is really quite weak in my opinion.

I think in this case its reaonable for me to assume based on your last few comments and the paragraphs I have written above that you have pre-percieved views about people that are completely wrong. Just see things how they really are and you cant go wrong.

[jimmalenko]

http://www.answers.com/heeded&r=67

heed (hēd)

v., heed·ed, heed·ing, heeds.

v.tr.
To pay attention to; listen to and consider: “He did not heed my gibes, and chattered on” (Sean O'Faolain).

v.intr.
To pay attention.

n.
Close attention; notice.

[twain32]

http://www.answers.com/heeded&r=67

heed (hēd)

v., heed·ed, heed·ing, heeds.

v.tr.
To pay attention to; listen to and consider: “He did not heed my gibes, and chattered on” (Sean O'Faolain).

v.intr.
To pay attention.

n.
Close attention; notice.

Oh Ok...
I know what Im dealing with now, an immature geek who like to use words from the 1800's

Tell us then what does "cut" mean in the context that you used it?

Goodbye

[jimmalenko]

Bye.

Not ... worth ... it.

[freebird73717]

I find it incredible that there isnt any software available that converts AVI to SVCD and automaticlly makes it fit perfectly and supports better aspect ratios.

Download dvd2svcd (free) to use in conjuction with tmpgenc. It can use avi as the input and will output a svcd file in cue/bin format ready to burn with nero or similar burning software. This software will basically automate everything for you once you get it set up right. I would suggest the guides at doom9 to set it up correctly then have it convert overnight.

This video stuff can be confusing...DVD2SVCD is one of the first tools I learned to use. After using it a while I began to understand more about resolutions, bitrates, etc... After reading lots of guides and posts and a lot of trial and error things will start to come easier.

All of the people that answered your posts were just trying to help...I have seen all of them help countless others many times. Everyone that answers questions here does so because he/or she enjoys helping others learn this hobby we all love....

[twain32]

All of the people that answered your posts were just trying to help...I have seen all of them help countless others many times. Everyone that answers questions here does so because he/or she enjoys helping others learn this hobby we all love....

Ummm, why are you telling me this?

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. Hey, thanks for the PM! Bye bye.



/ Moderator lordsmurf

[freebird73717]

All of the people that answered your posts were just trying to help...I have seen all of them help countless others many times. Everyone that answers questions here does so because he/or she enjoys helping others learn this hobby we all love....

Ummm, why are you telling me this?

Why not?! Just felt like adding it.

[Paul_G]

Read the guides on this site for detailed instructions instead of making silly remarks.

You dislike 480x480/576 but convert AVI to SVCD?

480x480/576 is SVCD

[twain32]

Read the guides on this site for detailed instructions instead of making silly remarks.

You dislike 480x480/576 but convert AVI to SVCD?

480x480/576 is SVCD

I didnt know that SVCD only supported that aspect ratio!!!. My Video player will not read raw MPEG2 or DivX so Im limited to SVCD. Why would they make it so that it only supports such hideous ratio's.

Instead of making rude remarks and coming across as hopelessly intolerant you could have just offered your advice like a civilized human being.

You all sound like a raving maniacs carrying on as if Ive offended your great SVCD standard or something

All of the people that answered your posts were just trying to help...I have seen all of them help countless others many times. Everyone that answers questions here does so because he/or she enjoys helping others learn this hobby we all love....

Ummm, why are you telling me this?

Why not?! Just felt like adding it.

Get some balls FFS, say what you really think and dont hide behind
"Just felt like adding it".

Because there was no need to add it. It inferes that I had done something wrong to deserve that sort of lecture. Save it for when its actually needed or you could run the risk of offending someone, thats if that wasnt your original intention in the first place. :P

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. Quit being a smart ass and trying to start fights. These people are only try to help you, and for free, I might add.
/ Moderator lordsmurf

[canadateck]

Other then maybe downloading the SVCD template,I think your questions have been answered, a few times.
Good luck.

[freebird73717]

say what you really think and dont hide behind
"Just felt like adding it".

Dude I'm not wanting to start an argument. What I said wasn't meant to offend you...It's just a fact.

Seriously look into dvd2svcd. I think once you get it set up you will love it.

Lets try to get this back on topic...
How are you burning the mpeg to the cd? Are you just burning straight mpeg to a cd or are you authoring it with something like vcdeasy? If you are trying to go mpeg straight to cd that could be the problem.

[lordsmurf]

I think you need to step back from the computer, read everything that has been posted to you here in an attempt to help you, and come back in a few days with a cooler head.

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Start a new one when you come back.