1 hour 45 minute video is 28.4 GB

[happydog500]

My files in my TV Tuner Card where about 5-6 GB for an hour and a half video. I used ULEAD VideoStudio 7 and a 1 hour 44 minute video is 28.4. Now what do I do? I want to fit it on a single DVD.
I've captured it so far and done nothing else. Usally it takes about 5 hours to save a 5 GB file so I was going to waite untill I got to bed to save it. Why is it so big? What do I do? Thanks, Chris.

[trickyman]

What format is the file in? Your most likely exported it as an AVI file from Video Studio. In order to burn it to a dvd you will need to encode it as an MPEG2 file. UNLEAD probably has some all-in-one tool for this or can use TMPGenc to do this conversion.

[happydog500]

It does have a tool. When it's done, the file will be two big to fit on a DVD tho. Hope it doesn't take 28 hours to do it (5.5GB = 5 hours).

[thecoalman]

You saved to less conpressed format, sounds about right for DV-AVI which is the format digital cams use. VS will convert it to mpeg-2 format for authoring which is a compressed format.You can expect to get the same amount of time if your using the same presets as you were for your other video. It's just going to take longer because it has to be converted.

[happydog500]

ok. I changed it to MPEG2. It's 5.8GB.
Is there such a program that I can use to add chapters, plus shrink it down like DVD Shrink?

Rejig will shrink it but no sound. Plus no chapters. Seems like if someone made DVD Shrink there would be something like it that will do video files (and maybe chapters).

[Sifaga]

dvd-lab

[jimmalenko]

You seem to have forgotten the advice offered in your earlier thread

Rejig does just video, so you need to demux the audio then remux it with the transcoded video, or just press on an author it as-is, the use DVDShrink to pull it down after that.

[inuyasha]

Does VS7 not let you output your dv file into a dvd disc? VS9 (I'm using) does and will automatically shrink it to fit if the file is too big. If not, out put the footage from vs7 to a mpeg2 dvd compliant file, and use a bit rate calculator (which you can find in this site) to calculate the bit rate for your file length. You can then add chapter and burn with your favourite authoring prog.

[happydog500]

UMS says it can't compress it enough to fit. Even one that was only .88mb over it could not do.

Rejig doens't see the directory.

I can't beleve someone made DVD Shrink and gave it out for free, but nobody made one that will do video files not made from a DVD.

Advice earlyer came to dead ends.

DVD-Lab looked good until I read the user reviews.

[jimmalenko]

<shakes head>

Dude!

Do you know how frustrating it is when experts tell you something that we KNOW for sure will work, only for you to tell us it doesn't ? If it's not working for you, then I'm afraid that you're doing it wrong.

Rejig does "video files not made from a DVD", and DVDShrink will do your files if you press on and author anyway ... and both programs are free, so unless you're good enough to write an MPEG transcoder yourself, I'd be keeping your disappointment on the down-low if ya know what I mean ...

[happydog500]

Sorry to offend you jimmalenko.
I do know what your talking about. I've helped people with coomputers locally for years.
The worst part for me is when you try to tell someone and they disagree with you, argue, they later find the answer and tell you THEY found the answer that you tried to tell them.

What I was talking about was when I use DVD Shrink, I click here, click there and the DVD is done, it worked.
When I tried rejig, I clicked here, clicked there and it didn't work. I tried again and it dodn't work right. I then had a step-by-step Screen shot of exatly what to do and I followed it to what I thought was step-by-step and it didn't work.
I know someware other people are using it fine. It just didn't work when I tried the steps in the screen shot.

Once again I'm sorry to make you mad. This is just my way of getting things done. I can't stop until I get this video editing software stuff. In the future, when I get it, I'll help other to get it.

Since I know it's me that isn't getting it, I'm ready to post to get a phone number from someone who knows a lot about video and calling them to walking me through.

I am bound and determend to get this. I want to know what I'm talking about with video. In fact, I just had two calls today about DVD recroding. I want to know this. I will not stop until I get it.

I want to tell you, not just words, but I really, really apresheate (can't spell) when I get help from people on messages boards.
Thank you for helping me so far. Chris.

[jimmalenko]

The previous contents of this post now appear as a guide here

[happydog500]

Thank you very, very much. I am going to try it now.

Should I be able to use my chapters I set?

What order do I do this in? When I use different programs to do stuff, I don't want to re-do stuff I already did.
Here is what I do:

1. Capture in VS.
2. Edit in Timeline, set chapters.
3. Save to disc (6 hours).
4. Open in DVD Shrink to fit on DVD and burn to DVD.

[Dragonsf]

I always thought, that chapters are created by the Authoring Process. Does the new ULEAD Software allow chapter setting before converting to mpeg?

[jimmalenko]

I get the feeling that VS is doing the encoding and authoring in one step.

[Dragonsf]

I get the feeling that VS is doing the encoding and authoring in one step.

I have the same feeling - it worries me

[happydog500]

why does it worry you?

I don't get the two file thing. None of mine are set to accept two files. Auidio and video as one, not video and a audio.

If I can get DVD shrink to see my chapters I wil be set.

[Dragonsf]

Everything worries me, which I can't control. As long, everything's smooth:Ok.
But if i you put some effort in creating chapters and result doesn't work out, you are lost. Most likely, the chapter points are lost, as they are controlled by VS only (if I understand correctly). If the authored DVD (created by VS) works as it should (I'd try to make an ISO and mount with Daemontools), chances are hight, that DVDShrink would preserve the chapters.

On the other side, I can't understand, why VS makes an oversized DVD. Maybe there's something wrong with the audio.

[jimmalenko]

why does it worry you?

I don't get the two file thing. None of mine are set to accept two files. Auidio and video as one, not video and a audio.

If I can get DVD shrink to see my chapters I wil be set.

Because more often than not, the best softwares do one thing, and do it well. Most softwares that do multiple things often do things half-assed (or quarter-assed if they do 4 things )

TBH I think you need new encoding and authoring software, because VS sounds like junkware. Either that or the driver is still under instruction ...

[happydog500]

jimmalenko,
Do you know what order I do the rejig?

[jimmalenko]

jimmalenko,
Do you know what order I do the rejig?

At a guess, I'd say that this post basically holds your johnson for you

[happydog500]

One thing that throws me off is the words that are used in video. Like "captureing," I would say recording.

Since you say to do rejig before "Authoring," what number is "Authoring?"

1. Capture in VS.
2. Edit in Timeline, set chapters.
3. Save to disc (6 hours).
4. Open in DVD Shrink to fit on DVD and burn to DVD.

I've been looking over some of your giudes. Thank you for the help you do in video. I hope to be able to help more after I "get it."

[jimmalenko]

1. Capture
2. Edit
3. Encode
4. Author
5. Burn


These are the basic steps. You should have no need whatsoever to transcode anything, any time - capture to the best quality you can, do your editing if required, then encode to DVD-compliant MPEG using the correct bitrate, first time. Then author. Then burn.


IMO where you're going wrong is that you're trying to use the one program to do everything. There's a well-known phrase around here regarding software of this nature: "jack of all trades, master on none". Far too often you see programs like this that try to do a lot of different tasks, and end up doing each task relatively poorly when compared to "dedicated" programs - that is, programs that are designed to do just one thing, but to do that one thing very well, and more often that not you would be better off IMO stringing together a few of these dedicated programs than fumbling around in junkware. Either that or you need to buy a "VS for Dummies" book or something ......


At any stage if you don't know what any of the terms are, see the Glossary (top left). Also I recommend that you download the trial versions of programs such as TMPGEnc & TMPGEnc DVD Author (both are fully functional and free for 30 days), and check out the guides section if you need help using the programs.

If this isn't for you, I would imagine that VS probably has its own forum on the Ulead website, where you'd more than likely have better luck speaking to experienced users of the software.

[happydog500]

OK, i'm going to spend the day trying out the new programs. Will post back results.

[happydog500]

jimmalenko,
Thanks again for all the help you've given me.

Instead of recomending what to use from VHS to DVD, what would you recomend once I have a video file on my drive?

If it's to big to fit on a Disc. Lets say I have a 5.5 GB file sitting on my HD. I want chapters and to fit on a DVD with a relative hight frame rate.

[jimmalenko]

Instead of recomending what to use from VHS to DVD, what would you recomend once I have a video file on my drive?

If it's to big to fit on a Disc. Lets say I have a 5.5 GB file sitting on my HD. I want chapters and to fit on a DVD with a relative hight frame rate.

I don't know what you think frame rate's got to do with it, as if you're in NTSC land it's gotta be 23.976fps w/ 3:2 pulldown on playback, or 29.976fps. In PAL land it's gotta be 25fps. period. There's not really much room to move there

In the time you've been trying to work this out, I've managed to transcribe my advice to you into a guide on how to shrink MPEG-2 files, that appears in the guides section here. Then there's 42 guides on how to use DVDShrink in the guides section here. I'd suggest you pick a guide, read it, and actually try it.

It seems to me like you've been going around in circles on this one for days, and I don't understand what could be so hard to understand with step-by-step instructions, guides, and all the advice of a team of experts who know what they're talking about and have done this exact process hundreds of times ?

Everyone is here to help, but you gotta help yourself as well

[thecoalman]

ok. I changed it to MPEG2. It's 5.8GB.
Is there such a program that I can use to add chapters, plus shrink it down like DVD Shrink?

Go back to before this point where you had your source files. First find out the time length of your video and use the bitrate calculator to determine the correct bitrate for the length of file you have, the calculator can be found in the tools section.

Insert your clip on the timeline in VS. Go to share>create video>custom settings>options>. Flip to the compression tab and from the drop down box select NTSC or PAL DVD. Change the bitrate to whatever you determined it was using the calculator. That's it, save the file then use it for authoring.

If your unsure about the calculator for 1 1/2 hour of video use 6000kbps, 1:45 @5000 or 2 hours @4000kbps. These are estimtes you can get a little more using these settings.

If you go below 4000kbps you need to lower the resolution or it will look like shit therwise use make sure it's 720x480. Don't worry about framerate just make sure you pick the correct TV satandard either NTSC or PAL from the drop down box.

I'll disagree with Jim, VS isn't a bad tool. It's not a great tool either. It is more than sufficient to do simple projects and has enough features and settings to allow for a wide variety of learning experience. The biggest drawback to VS is the the menu selection is somewhat limited. Even that can be enhanced if you have their image editing app.

[jimmalenko]

I'll disagree with Jim, VS isn't a bad tool. It's not a great tool either.

I never said it was shite ... I said:

TBH I think you need new encoding and authoring software, because VS sounds like junkware. Either that or the driver is still under instruction ...

I think it probably just takes someone who knows how to use it

[thecoalman]

I think it probably just takes someone who knows how to use it

Yes that book they send with is for more than putting your coffee cup on.

[happydog500]

I'm trying to learn how to use it. The problem is when I do exatly what it says to do (follow instructions steep by steep) it doesn't work the way it's supoised to. Didn't think it was a good idea to post back: I read the insturctions but did it a different way. I do it just the way instructed.

Someone told me why DVD Shrink didn't see my chapters was because it has to have ifo and bup files. I have ifo and bup files. It still can't see them.

Instead of just giving up, I post back asking if anyone knows why it still doesn't see them.

I'm trying to learn.

I do know how to use both VS and DVD Shrink. Used DVD Shrink many, many times.

I now can say I know VS pretty good. I know what each button is for and what it does. I've worked with it for several months.
Here is an example;

"If your unsure about the calculator for 1 1/2 hour of video use 6000kbps, 1:45 @5000 or 2 hours @4000kbps. These are estimtes you can get a little more using these settings. "

I used the 4000kbps. The video is 1:44. The 2 hour setting should be fine. When I did it, as it was going through the process, I was happy it was working. When it got to the point where it burns the disc (waited hours) it stoped and poped up, not enough space on the disc.

The problem is not that I don't kow what to do, it's what I'm supoised to do doesn't work. That's why I post back, because the instructions I get do not get results.

I'm going to keep on trying until I get it. You watch, I will get it pretty soon. I will keep pushiing until I am a video editing/Reciording expert.