Don't buy Discsafe DVD+R Dual Layer media

[Robbins1940]

I have brought 32 of these Discsafe DVD+R Dual Layer media and have had a third fail burns with data vertification errors at either the layer change or right at the end.

Moral of the story is this. Always pay an extra £2.50 and buy Verbatim media esp if a failed burn means you got to use another disc. 1 verbatim £4.40 or 2 Discsafe £2.29.

[hhhhbk]

surely moral of the story is stick to single layer discs at present

any movie can easily be split to fit on single layer disks

2 top notch TY discs come in at 2x~£0.30-£0.40 so 60 to 80 pence
whereas poor dual layer media is £2.29 for the same amount of space
and decent dual layer media is £4.40 for the same amount of space

[RabidDog]

esp if a failed burn means you got to use another disc.

surely if a burn fails you've gotta use another disc?? OAIMS???

[leebo]

surely moral of the story is stick to single layer discs at present

Lets go back to black and white TV while we're at it. Much easier than figuring out what went wrong.

[ROF]

surely moral of the story is stick to single layer discs at present

Lets go back to black and white TV while we're at it. Much easier than figuring out what went wrong.

The hardware is new, was intended as a stop over between SL media and HD media. Most manufacturers of these DL drives are no longer in research of DL media. It's not profitable for them to do so with HD drives soon to be released by their company.

DL sounded good, but so did SACDs. Neither will become perfected, and neither will be widely accepted because of many factors, not the least of which is compatibility, burning issues, and price.

I agree, stick with SL media and buy into HD when the drives become reasonably priced.

[Heavensent]

Lets go back to black and white TV while we're at it. Much easier than figuring out what went wrong

right now duble layer just doesnt work as its supposed to.
why should we test the product for problems if we dont have to ?

ill switch to duble layer when the right time comes.

unless i like coasters...

[leebo]

right now duble layer just doesnt work as its supposed to.
why should we test the product for problems if we dont have to ?

ill switch to duble layer when the right time comes.

unless i like coasters...

You mean it doesn't work for you. I have no problems with DL. There are several threads on this site dealing with how to correctly burn DL. You could search for them and learn how, or you can listen to people who proclaim it bad news even though they themselves haven't tried it or have had bad results and gave up after few tries. You say it's not working, yet you clearly sound like you haven't tried it yourself.

If you choose the later (which it looks like you have), then when BR comes out, and people have trouble with that, you can listen to them again and wait for the next "Big thing".

The only issue I have with DL is the price of media. And if you think DL media is expensive, wait to see how much 50 gig BR media will cost!!!

[thevoelk]

I agree with leebo. I have burned probably close to 100 Ritek +R DL, and more Verbatim's, and there has not yet been one issue with compatibility with either drives or settops. I know I'm setting myself up to get flamed, but I have to yet to have anyone get back to me with an issue about the disk not playing. Some of the players take a little longer to load the disc, but none have refused to play them. I know this doesn't mean 100% compatibility, I'm just pointing out that you have to do it right.

[Hawseman]

No flamin' here.....

I also agree. DL will come into it's own. When properly done, they work very well. I see it as the interim media (between HD & SL). It's much more compatible with standalones than Blu-Ray will be.....that I know.

[thevoelk]

This reminds me of when I was in eigth grade and my uncle was given a first generation CD burner. Blank Cds cost almost as much as the original pressed CD, so it was almost pointless to dupe them. Same as DVD +-R DL.

Tangent:
HDDVD and Blue Ray look great, but as of now, who in their right mind is going to pay $50US for a blank optical disc, along with thousands for the recording hardware? It's cheaper, more efficient, and probably safer in the long run to use regular hard drives. For the price of 2 BR discs, I can buy a 5 times the storage.

Back to the topic:
As more and more of the orginal players die (mechanically) and get replaced, compatibility will become less of an issue, especially as manufacturing techniques are refined. From the business standpoint, both formats of DL has cost Verbatim/Ritek/Phillips valuable time and money, they are not going to give up their investment because of Blue Ray/HD DVD.

[ebenton]

As more and more of the orginal players die (mechanically) and get replaced, compatibility will become less of an issue, especially as manufacturing techniques are refined.

I've got a CD player from the 80's that still works and a DVD player (from Circuit City with DIVX!) from 1998 that still works. How long is this gonna take?

[thevoelk]

I didn't say every player will die, I said more and more will. My dad still has a turntable from the 70's that has seen far more use than the three I have gone through in seven years. He also has a DVD player from the first generation will not play CD-R or DVD-R and +R, also bitset to -ROM. It won't play recroded VCDs, but will play pressed ones. It also has no problem playing some of the region free movies I've picked up around the world on travel for work that have the most f**ked up authoring known to man. Just a generalization.

[ebenton]

I was just yankin your chain. I know what you're saying. It's like keeping an old car that they don't make parts for anymore.