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    This probably will never find its way to the U.S. market. But it's interesting to see what Pioneer is up to in Japan:
    http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release149.html

    200 GB hard drive.

    DVD-R DL media support (The DVD Forum approved the DVD-R DL media in February and it will be manufactured by Verbatim).

    New MPEG encoder that includes a 15 mbps XP+ setting for recording to the hard drive, or up to 24 hours recording in lowest-quality to on DVD-RW DL disc.

    Copy photos from digital cameras to the hard drive and burn DVD slide shows.

    Copy audio CDs to the hard drive for play back.
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    This may find it's way to North America but will it be able to compete with recorders expected out in September that can record High Definition TV? The 15 MB/s would be about right but DL will be too small to record much content.
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    Originally Posted by oldfart13
    This may find it's way to North America but will it be able to compete with recorders expected out in September that can record High Definition TV? The 15 MB/s would be about right but DL will be too small to record much content.
    The 15 MB/s is only to the hard drive. The Pioneer won't record that to the DVD-RW DL. There's nothing that could play it if it did.
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  4. I might get one. Sounds nice to have DL recorder now.
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    Originally Posted by Frobozz
    Originally Posted by oldfart13
    This may find it's way to North America but will it be able to compete with recorders expected out in September that can record High Definition TV? The 15 MB/s would be about right but DL will be too small to record much content.
    The 15 MB/s is only to the hard drive. The Pioneer won't record that to the DVD-RW DL. There's nothing that could play it if it did.
    there are some dvd player capable of playing that. just because its outside of the dvd spec doesnt mean that no dvd players will play it.
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    The 15 MB/s is only to the hard drive. The Pioneer won't record that to the DVD-RW DL. There's nothing that could play it if it did.
    there are some dvd player capable of playing that. just because its outside of the dvd spec doesnt mean that no dvd players will play it.
    The 15 Mbps recording mode (XP+) can only be recorded on HDD and cannot be transferred directly to DVD discs. It's quite similar to the HQ+ mode on the Sony RDR-HX900, and I doubt very much that there are currently any DVD players that would play back a non-DVD standard which cannot be recorded on any DVD media yet, but you are welcome to prove us wrong.
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    synergy,

    obviously you dont have much of an understanding of dvd. although the limit its about 5mbps lower than what is recorded to the dvd does not mean it is impossible to record 15mpbs mpeg2 video in a "dvd wrapper".. i just extracted a 1 minute segment from a ufc dvd (i had it on the hdd), encoded it to CBR mpeg2 video @ 15,000kbps. dropped it in to TDA (with a 256kbps ac3 track), outputted to dvd files, made an iso with img tool, & burned with dvd decrypter.

    it played smoothly in an old symphonic dvd player i have in the office here.. although i'm pretty sure it wouldnt play or choke quite a bit in most dvd players, there are some dvd players that can handle the high bitrate just fine.. there are hollywood dvd's released all the time that are outside of dvd spec that play just fine in 99% of dvd players, they're just slightly out of spec though.. but the point remains, just because its outside of spec doesnt mean "there's nothing that could play it".
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    obviously you dont have much of an understanding of dvd. although the limit its about 5mbps lower than what is recorded to the dvd does not mean it is impossible to record 15mpbs mpeg2 video in a "dvd wrapper"
    I was referring to that both Pioneer and Sony's XP+ and HQ+ mode were mainly designed for their proprietary 2-step dubbing from HDD to DVD-R, so there is really no point to even consider playback compatibility with other DVD players. Since some DVD players would choke on DVD discs recorded at XP mode while others have much higher tolerence on DVD specs, I have no doubt that you can definitely find some players which can play back out of spec bitrate as you have demonstrated. But your example still fails to prove that the Pioneer as well as Sony's proprietary recording modes could be played back properly on any other DVD players especially if they cannot be losslessly transferred to DVD media. Just re-encoding something to 15Mbps doesn't necessarily mean it is equivalent to the XP+ or HQ+ modes, unless you have some proof that is exactly what Pioneer and Sony did with their technologies.
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    Originally Posted by Synergy
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    synergy,

    obviously you dont have much of an understanding of dvd. although the limit its about 5mbps lower than what is recorded to the dvd does not mean it is impossible to record 15mpbs mpeg2 video in a "dvd wrapper"
    I was referring to that both Pioneer and Sony's XP+ and HQ+ mode were mainly designed for their proprietary 2-step dubbing from HDD to DVD-R, so there is really no point to even consider playback compatibility with other DVD players. Since some DVD players would choke on DVD discs recorded at XP mode while others have much higher tolerence on DVD specs, I have no doubt that you can definitely find some players which can play back out of spec bitrate as you have demonstrated. But your example still fails to prove that the Pioneer as well as Sony's proprietary recording modes could be played back properly on any other DVD players especially if they cannot be losslessly transferred to DVD media. Just re-encoding something to 15Mbps doesn't necessarily mean it is equivalent to the XP+ or HQ+ modes, unless you have some proof that is exactly what Pioneer and Sony did with their technologies.
    you should make yourself more clear in the future, instead of making broad & general statements ("there's nothing that could play it"). when you make a broad & general statement & then someone dissproves what you've said & then you defend it by pinning down it bit a more it does not make you look like you know what you're talking about. i never stated or even suggested that pioneer's or sony's XP+ or HQ+ technology could be recorded to dvdRwith satisfactory compatibility.. the only thing i was proving was that some dvd players are capable of playing dvd's with a bitrate of 15mbps..

    lets recap;

    1) you = say even if 15mbps video could be recorded to dvd, no device could play it.

    2) me = say there are dvd players capable of playing 15mbps dvd video.

    3) you = (basically a repeat of statement #1)

    4) me = records a dvd with 15mbps video, proves it will work on some dvd players

    5) you = make a feeble attempt to cover what you said

    6) me = buries you.

    lets just end it here, i think everyone knows the truth now.
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    Hey, lumis, it was I who wrote "There's nothing that could play it if it did." Why are you giving Synery the credit for my statement? I'm perfectly willing to take full credit for any stupid thing I write.
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    well i wasnt paying that good of attention, but he took the ball and ran with it. :P
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  12. this is the kind of unit I need with the 2 step dubbing process. This would eliminate the guess work and optimize recording boxing matches that can last an hour or 3 hours. Too bad it's only in Japan and late May(probably a high price too).
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    well i wasnt paying that good of attention, but he took the ball and ran with it.
    Yeah, with your reading comprehension, apparently only fifth-grade writing style should be allowed for your consumption.
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    you're just sore because i proved your blind notions totally wrong.
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  15. I can't see anything about DVD-RW DL in that press release? Only DVD-R DL... Or am I blind?
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  16. "Impressive new Pioneer recorder in Japan"

    it always cracks me up when the arguments in forum posts degrade to such nonsensical childish rubbish. Keep it simple guys.

    The fact is simple, the dvd spec's are there so we have a standard that will play in all players.

    whether or not the higher bitrate will play is up to the individual player.
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    I can't see anything about DVD-RW DL in that press release? Only DVD-R DL... Or am I blind?
    Thank you for catching my error. You are correct. I'll edit my original post. Also, here is a brief announcement from Pioneer about DVD-R DL:
    http://wwwbsc.pioneer.co.jp/product-e/ibs/device_e/dvd-r_dl-e.html
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  18. how much is this unit going for in US currency? would it have an english mode and can it be used in US sockets? i think its garbage of pioneer to release this in japan, and release a new line of rehashed old line for US. the new models coming out in US just have larger HDD's or a tv guide (who cares).
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