Okay, i just got a batch of these from Rima.com atfer a sad batch of prodisc hub printable +R's
Here is a scan burned at 8X
This is burned at 6X
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8X look's better if you want to call that better![]()
But i will be trying both on a new NEC this weekend so we will see if there is any diff.
They do both seem to play fine though... just not real good scans....
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Looks pretty crappy :P
I'm guessing the second one would skip on most players if those errors were on the outer edge, the discs usually have higher jitter on the edge which doesn't help matters. I'll be looking forward to see if the NEC does any better (first thing I'd do would be to update it with a good hacked firmware, or at least a NEC one).
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Yeah
When i checked i did'nt think there was a new firmware for the NEC ND-3520A except that hacked one at cdfreaks which i already D/L.
But i'll check again to see if NEC has one for it yet.
Prob. test it before and after firmware updates to see...
See, i thought that was strange that it was so high at the start & so low on the end or outer edge on the 8X ??
But i'm gonna burn acouple more at 8X & see what they look like, these were the first 2 i have burned today.
But i checked both of them through all the menu's, from the start, scanned through them checking and at the end and they both seemed to play okay but i still don't like the scans
Here is one of my +R fuji TY's... what a thing of beauty!!!!!!
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I think the answer is that Liteon burners are strange beasts, and mediocre burners. I've seen all kinds of very weird burns from Liteon drives with huge errors. Too bad, as their CD burners were awesome
NEC is to DVD Burners what Liteon was to CD Burners - great, affordable drives.
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We shall see as my NEC ND-3520A should be here friday :P
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Here is my 3rd now burned at 8X... this is weird, like the total opposite of the Prodisc..... but these seem to play okay, and i test them on standalone dvd players around the house, i never test them in the PC cd-rom.....
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Looks like poor write strategies - I'm guessing the first large block of high errors is when the drive is still burning at 4x, and it is clearly using a poor writing strategy at 4x. Once you get past the 4x, the rest of the disc looks 'OK', high PI but not quite bad enough to create a true coaster in all likelyhood. It'd probably be a coaster for me though, if it was something important on the disc.
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Are you familiar with dvdrw_omnipatcher ?
It has a feature that makes your drive shift into a faster speed at the start of a burn....
Earlier shift (faster burn) for 8x +R
(only for 811S, 851S, and 8x2S) This was one of the two components that made up what used to be called a "burn-adjusted" firmware. This patch will cause your drive to shift into higher speeds earlier and more aggressively, thus speeding up the burn. On some burners, this aggressive shifting may result in lower-quality burns, which is why it is highly recommended that you experiment with it and see if it works well for your particular drive. If it doesn't, then don't use it. If you select this, then you should also select the "force-shifting" patch
Write strategies
Each media code in the firmware has a "write strategy" assigned to it that will tell the burner how a piece of media should be burned. These write strategies are very closely tied to the burn quality of the media that you feed the drive. In many cases, the write strategy already in place for a particular media code is the best one to use. Using a write strategy that is very badly suited for a media type will most likely result in a bad burn and might potentially have negative effects on the laser of your drive, so going around switching write strategies at random is usually not a good idea, especially if the one specially designed for that media type already works well. However, there are some cases (especially when overspeeding) where using the write strategy for another media type will help improve burn quality. For example, overspeeding a PRODISCR02 to 8x using the PRODISCR02 code will most likely result in a coaster once the disc hits the 6x and 8x regions of the burn. However, if a PRODISCR03 strategy is used, the disc will burn much better when oversped to 8x.
Recommended write strategy replacements
These write strategy replacements, which can be applied by clicking the button labeled Apply recommended DVD media tweaks will apply write strategy replacements that are known to work well. As the name suggests, doing this is usually a good idea. The media codes affected will have a '!' next to them in the media code list.
Manual write strategy replacements
Double-clicking on a +R or -R media code (not RW!) should bring up a list of available write strategies that you can use for this media code. The write strategy currently in use will be highlighted. In the main window, any media code that is using a write strategy other than its own will be marked with a '!'. -
I've heard of Omnipatcher, but I don't have a liteon so I'm not that familiar with it. I think most of your problems is that your drive just ain't so hot
. Here's a scan from someone with an 812 with G05:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=675586&postcount=77
Not quite the same as yours, but he's got the same high errors before the drive speeds up past 4x as well as you do. I'm sure his was an 8x burn as well, you can see where it changes to 6x then 8x. His scan looks fine once it is burning at full speed, if only you could find a strategy that burned decent when the disc is burning slower... -
I make it GOOD! :P Great PIF numbers. Did you change the firmware, or burn speed, or was it just another disc with same setup or ?
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i used the Omni Patcher to change my firmware
I chose the RITEKG05 and clicked apply recommended media tweaks,
checked the 2 options as seen and made a new firmware, applied, restarted and this is the burn i got
you can see what the applied changes do from my earlier post, don't know if it made a diff.as it says for "+" but i'm gonna try another one right now to see..... damn freaked me out when i saw that scan done!!!
Major Change!!!!!!!!!!!
And i've always used the latest firmware, i just used this to enable auto bit setting. until now....
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Why dont you save the picture using the little disc icon at the top right? It saves it as a picture much easier to read..
G05 W.I. hub printable: Burned on 832S
G05 W.I. hub Printable: burned on: NEC3500:star: :star: :star: :star:
Archived DVD Scans
Nero V ImgTools V Decrypter
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Originally Posted by Fandim
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Oh... you meant the little "floppy" icon
Okay, here is the next one burned at 8X after the tweaks were applied with omni patcher!!!!
Not as low as the fuji TY's but it's a hell of alot better than 600-700!!!!!!
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Dahyum :P
It looks like that is what is creating good burns, forcing it to not use the 4x write strategy as I suggested. Nice, the PI is only average, but the PIF is very good, and that's the main thing.It looks a hell of a lot better, I'm glad you found something that works.
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Hell Yeah!!!!
Yep, your comment about that is what gave me the idea
I did two more and they were even a little lower on the PI readings!!
Gonna try some new one's with the prodisc later or tomorrow,
& will run some more tests with the NEC also to compare.
These are almost as good as Fandim's with his NEC 8) -
Now I'm a LITTLE fonder of Liteon
I'm not aware of any forced speedup patching for NECs, although I may just not be aware of them. They've got a couple of write strategies that suck with the newer hacked firmwares, so I have to revert back to some of the older tried and true firmwares (hacked ones :P). With some hacked firmwares I see similar issues, where they burn like shit at slower speeds, then actually burn fine at the higher speeds... annoying
So many of these discs can go from UGLY to great if you just find the right combination. Alot of people complain about CMC and Prodisc, they've both been outstanding on all of my burners
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Just curious..... are these G05s the same color on the bottom as the old G04s?
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Originally Posted by dmagic1
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What!?!
I thought everybody had a one time or another used G04. They have a very dark and rich purple color. Much darker than what you normally see on disc such as Prodisc. -
Well
I used verbatim exclusively for ages, then i started using whatever was on sale at BB and if i did'nt have a problem with it, i never paid much attention to the media code's ect. if it worked.... it worked
I have just been paying more attention lately, because if the problems i seem to be getting from going to printable media. -
It has to be the media or something, because i am gettting some shit burns & some good burns..
It's like i do 2 that are good, the 1 or 2 that are shit!!!
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After having a LiteOn 811, 812, and a 1613 I have pretty much gave up on LiteOn drives.
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Okay,
to be honest i have put a minimum of 1000's of disc's through my lite on and have never had a problem until going to these printble media.....
but i have noticed some stuff, not as near bad, before this media so i'm just wondering if my drive is wearing out/dirty because i smoke alot around my systems while working & have never cleaned the liteon yet& as much as it's used i don't expect much of a life span out of them anyways & have replaced my burners quite a dew times.....
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Okay, i just ran a scan on the Ritek, it's weird because the scans that i was getting all of a sudden of the riteks were going to shit near the end of the disc, the opposite of the first ones ??
Now here is a scan of my first burn at 8X on the NEC ND-3520A
i'm gonna try a 6X burn next.....
(when my scans were starting to get worse on the liteon i lowered the speed to 6X and they got better when they were better at a 8X previously ??) -
Okay, this is weird....
See the diff. in write speed, the nec will let me burn these at 12X and it is still stock firmware. -
Look at the diff. in these PRODISC R03 hub printables!!!!!
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1229399#1229399
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Pretty good scan with the NEC. The PIF raises a LITTLE near the edge, but nothing anywhere CLOSE to being of any concern. Glad to see you chose the NEC, clearly it's proven to do a much nicer job than the Liteon already
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Originally Posted by steve2713
And pay twice as much for the TY's!!!!!!
Glad i listened to you about the NEC!!!! i almost bought another liteon but my liteon will still be a good secondary burner as the only disc's i have had problems with it so far are the 2 diff. inkjet hub printables i have bought.
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