3.8gb = 4.7gb?

[frisky]

I've recently run across a problem that I've not seen described here before. Hopefully, someone can help (or at least explain what's happening).

I've got a VIDEO_TS folder of 3.78GB size. Obviously well within the capacity of a standard DVD-R. Place VIDEO_TS into new folder with intended name of DVD, add AUDIO_TS (empty) folder and all of a sudden, the total size (according to both the finder and Toast 6.0.7) jumps to 4.7GB. Toast then complains that there is not enough room to burn (X amount needed, Y amount available on the blank disk). Same thing happens if I just drag the original VIDEO_TS folder to Toast. As soon as the AUDIO_TS folder is added, the size jumps to 4.7GB and "there is not enough room".

Where is the extra 1GB of data coming from? Just simply adding an empty folder named AUDIO_TS causes the main folder size to jump up every time. Doesn't matter if I've run the VIDEO_TS through DTOX or not, doesn't matter if I've done a full disc extraction (MTR 2.6.4) or a main feature only extraction. Without exception, as soon as I add the AUDIO_TS folder, the size jumps by 1GB. Doesn't matter if I do the addition in Toast or the finder.

Anyone else seen this, or know what might be happening? Any help would be appreciated.

Frisky

[Frobozz]

I don't know, but why don't you try burning the VIDEO_TS folder this way:

In the Finder, control-click on the VIDEO_TS folder and choose Toast It. After the Toast window opens showing your VIDEO_TS folder click the burn button. Toast automatically adds the AUDIO_TS folder.

Does that get you the same error?

You also could try making a disc image from the VIDEO_TS folder with DVDImager and burn that image file with Toast or Disk Utility in 10.3.x (or Disk Copy in 10.2.x)

[tgpo]

If the finder says it's 4.7GB, why do you say it's 3.78GB?

[frisky]

Well, I'm trying a burn now using the "Data" settings (DVD ROM), rather than the video. It didn't add the extra 1GB when I added the AUDIO_TS folder, so I'm optimistic that this will work.

I don't have the contextual menu item installed for Toast (I had problems with it - didn't feel like tracking down the conflict), so I can't try your first suggestion. I did try creating and burning from an image (from within Toast, as I don't have DVDImager).

And for tgpo, I say it's 3.78GB because the finder says that it is... up until the point where the AUDIO_TS folder is added. Then the finder says it's 4.7GB. In other words, it's 3.78GB up to the point where the empty AUDIO_TS folder is added - then it jumps to 4.7GB, for reasons unknown.

[tgpo]

Don't burn as video.

1. Open Toast, Click on DATA, then DVD-ROM (UDF)
2. Click NEW DISC (name this as the dvd should be named)
3. Click ADD and name the folder AUDIO_TS
4. Drag your VIDEO_TS to the toast window

From the sticky in the forum.

[frisky]

Just did that. It works, but it seems an awfully "in-elegant" solution for the mac. I was hoping to be able to use the available tools in the way they would be expected to work.

"Workarounds" are something I normally expect for windoze - not the mac.

Plus, I'm really curious about the extra 1GB. Just too weird and I'm one of those folks who likes to know why something happens!

[tgpo]

I don't get it. How is using Toast a workaround?

[tgpo]

Plus, I'm really curious about the extra 1GB. Just too weird and I'm one of those folks who likes to know why something happens!

I'd guess that Toast was wanting to re-convert something and add a menu and a bunch of other crap like that.

[frisky]

Using Toast isn't the "workaround" I was referring to. But, using Toast for "Data", rather than "Video" strikes me as being a workaround. After all, it is a "VIDEO" that I'm trying to burn.

I would have expected the settings for video to be the ones I wanted. I only tried the data settings because of the sticky you referenced (yes, I did read it before posting my question - as I said, I was wondering primarily about the extra 1GB when using the video settings - not about the actual burn itself)

[AntnyMD]

Using Toast isn't the "workaround" I was referring to. But, using Toast for "Data", rather than "Video" strikes me as being a workaround. After all, it is a "VIDEO" that I'm trying to burn.

It isnt a workaround, its just Toast being a bit counterintuitive. DVD-Video discs are just DVD-ROM discs with a special structure for video content. The Video tab should be thought of as for burning content that needs to be converted to DVD format and structure. The Data tab (and the DVD-ROM radio button) should be thought of as for burning content already specially formatted and authored for DVD.

[frisky]

Okay then. That's something I can get my mind around. Thank you.

Still doesn't explain the extra 1gb, but ... oh well!

[Frobozz]

Toast 6.0.7 automatically adds an empty AUDIO_TS folder after you click the burn buttion, so you don't need to do that yourself. There is no difference between burning the VIDEO_TS using the DVD setting in the Data window or using the Video DVD from VIDEO_TS folder in the Video window. Roxio added the latter because people thought that videos should be burned from the video window even though an already-authored VIDEO_TS folder is actually being burned as data.

It's odd that you experienced problems with the presence of Toast It. If you haven't yet purchased Disk Warrior you might want to. Maybe there is something amiss in your system.

[terryj]

I would agree...seems there is something that is out of
wack ( permissions, caches needing to be emptied, etc.)
with system itself. Adding a zero K folder to an existing folder
SHOULDN'T blow it up another GB unless the
disc directories themselves were serverly hosed,
and it cannot make an assumption on free space.
Zero KB is Zero KB.
Best to Try DiscWarrior and rebuild your directories,
and then use Onyx or Cocktail to re-prebind the system.


oh and Froz:

There is no difference between burning the VIDEO_TS using the DVD setting in the Data window or using the Video DVD from VIDEO_TS folder in the Video window.

hate to differ, but yes there is one SIGNIFICANT difference:
Burning as a UDF assumes via Toast that the Video and
Audio structures are in "spec". Burning via the Video Tab,
like Ant said, will run you the risk of Toast trying to
verify/re-encode the data to what IT thinks should be spec.

Case in point: Take a Video_TS folder authored with ffmpegx
and try processing it first through the Video tab.
Toast tries to verify/re-encode ffmpegx output,
a long standing issue between the two.
Not so if you burn as UDF.

http://www.roxio.com/en/support/kb/toast/ET60000058.jhtml
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/kb/toast/ET60000098.jhtml

[AntnyMD]

Isnt it correct that if you dont have Jam installed, Toast wants to convert all audio to PCM? Theres your extra gig right there.

[frisky]

Possibility, I suppose. But, I do have Jam installed. Never really used it for anything, but it is installed.

Also, the extra 1 gig doesn't just appear in the finder. I've verified that using Toast's video option adds the extra gig if you add the empty folder (either by drag and drop, or with Toast itself). But, it will burn successfully if I allow it to burn only the VIDEO_TS folder - go figger.

In any event, it seems that this is destined to be "just one of those things". I guess there are some things we mortals are just not meant to know. Such is life.

[Frobozz]

oh and Froz:

There is no difference between burning the VIDEO_TS using the DVD setting in the Data window or using the Video DVD from VIDEO_TS folder in the Video window.

hate to differ, but yes there is one SIGNIFICANT difference:
Burning as a UDF assumes via Toast that the Video and
Audio structures are in "spec". Burning via the Video Tab,
like Ant said, will run you the risk of Toast trying to
verify/re-encode the data to what IT thinks should be spec.

Case in point: Take a Video_TS folder authored with ffmpegx
and try processing it first through the Video tab.
Toast tries to verify/re-encode ffmpegx output,
a long standing issue between the two.
Not so if you burn as UDF.

http://www.roxio.com/en/support/kb/toast/ET60000058.jhtml
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/kb/toast/ET60000098.jhtml

terryj,

Maybe we're both right because I don't have any experience with ffmpegX. The Roxio articles you posted were written before the release of Toast 6.0.7 so the "DVD-video from VIDEO_TS" option in the Toast Video window was not yet available. Everything in those articles is true for Toast 6.0.7 as well but now this also can be done in the Video window, plus Toast automatically creates the AUDIO_TS folder when you click the burn button and you don't need to click New Disc before dragging in the VIDEO_TS folder.

I just tried it that way and Toast began writing the disc immediately without checking the VIDEO_TS folder, just as it does when I use the Data window. So unless there is something different about your experience than mine, I stand by my statement that there is no difference between the "DVD-video from VIDEO_TS" option in the Toast 6.0.7 video window and using the DVD-UDF setting in the Toast Data window.

[alph]

This has been my experience.

Toast does not seem to recognise all MPEGs and VOBs properly in the video tab: possibly Toast is very strict about the headers or something along those lines. I've seen Toast recognise a 40 minute, 500 meg MPEG clip as being over the 4.7 Gig limit.

The solution I've found which permits you to use the video tab and Toast's menu features is to run your MPEGs or VOBs through MPEG Streamclip and Demux as Headed....

-Open the mpeg or vob in Streamclip
-Pick the appropriate "Demux to headed..." format. (File menu)
-Open toast in the video tab and drop your m2v files in the window (toast will find the audio files if they are in the same folder as the m2v file)
-Burn your disk

Hope this helps