Anyone get a perfefct 1:1 dvd-9 backup on DL media?

[Dr_Layne]

Have a Pioneer 108 on the way. My main use will be producing dvd's my own vhs tapes, but I'm just curious about backing up exsisting dvd's. I see plenty of guides for shrinking or splitting. What about a 1:1 copy to dual layer media with the original dvd's layer split? I know it's not cost effective right now to back up dvd's onto DL media. Just curious only.

Steve

[dwisniski]

I just backed up Gladiator recently on my DVR-108 onto Verbatim DVD+R DL using DVD Decrypter, ripped to ISO read, and then burned using ISO write. Perfect 1:1 backup, very easy, no problems with the burning or the play back whatsoever. The layer break is exactly the same as the original DVD.

[jamerican]

I just backed up Gladiator recently on my DVR-108 onto Verbatim DVD+R DL using DVD Decrypter, ripped to ISO read, and then burned using ISO write. Perfect 1:1 backup, very easy, no problems with the burning or the play back whatsoever. The layer break is exactly the same as the original DVD.

Ditto here with the same movie. No problems whatsoever using a Benq DW1620 and Verbatim DVD+R DL discs.

[Adder_78]

I have burnt many Traxdata/Verbatim DL's without any prolems. Here is some of test results of Traxdata DL:
http://www.mpegit.net/eng/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=50&mode=&order=0&thold=0

[tperricone]

I have the NEC 2510a and burnt a perfect 1:1 backup to Ritek media. Works and plays great even on old players because of bitsetting.

[kosekjm]

dwisniski,

What version of firmware do you have on your drive and what version of decryptor did you use?

I have a 108 and my attempt at iso rip and then burn failed. It wwrote everyhting, and said that it was finished, but it had to close the session. After 45 minutes of closing the session, still no movement. When I cancelled, I had a perfectly good $10 coaster

So far the only method that worked for me, was rip the files and then burn in Nero dvd-video mode.

Thanks,
kosekjm

[xavierdemon]

I did a backup LOTR Return of the king, using DVD decrypter ISO Read/Write on my DVR-108 using Ritek D01 DL disc. The disc froze when it reached the layer break and then crashed burned a few second later. Play device was an Xbox. The version of DVD Decrypter was 3.5.1.0 I will try a second attempt later using CopyToDVD as I hear this produces very good results. I figure if I can produce a DL disc that works on my Xbox, it should work on anything. I appreciate that many people are DVD Decrypter but I am unconvinced this is the right procedure. DVD players vary on how they handle discs, it is possible that most people's DVD players are capable of playing the DL disc even when the layer break position is not what it should be.

[Adder_78]

I did a backup LOTR Return of the king, using DVD decrypter ISO Read/Write on my DVR-108 using Ritek D01 DL disc. The disc froze when it reached the layer break and then crashed burned a few second later. Play device was an Xbox. The version of DVD Decrypter was 3.5.1.0 I will try a second attempt later using CopyToDVD as I hear this produces very good results. I figure if I can produce a DL disc that works on my Xbox, it should work on anything. I appreciate that many people are DVD Decrypter but I am unconvinced this is the right procedure. DVD players vary on how they handle discs, it is possible that most people's DVD players are capable of playing the DL disc even when the layer break position is not what it should be.

Nero works too...

[Blazey]

I did a backup LOTR Return of the king, using DVD decrypter ISO Read/Write on my DVR-108 using Ritek D01 DL disc. The disc froze when it reached the layer break and then crashed burned a few second later. Play device was an Xbox. The version of DVD Decrypter was 3.5.1.0 I will try a second attempt later using CopyToDVD as I hear this produces very good results. I figure if I can produce a DL disc that works on my Xbox, it should work on anything. I appreciate that many people are DVD Decrypter but I am unconvinced this is the right procedure. DVD players vary on how they handle discs, it is possible that most people's DVD players are capable of playing the DL disc even when the layer break position is not what it should be.

You should probably blame the X-Box. The lasers in the drives seem to wear out in a year or so. I had the same problelm with actual DVD's where mine would crash at the layer break. It's easily repaired for about $60. LMK if you want some help with it.

[xavierdemon]

You should probably blame the X-Box. The lasers in the drives seem to wear out in a year or so. I had the same problelm with actual DVD's where mine would crash at the layer break. It's easily repaired for about $60. LMK if you want some help with it.

If this were true wouldn't the original disc also suffer playback problems? I will try using CopyToDVD on LOTR The Two Towers after I've finished writing this post. I'll report results tomorrow. I hope it works as this is my last DL disc and I have no intensions of buying any more untill they drop in price.

[guns1inger]

Because of the different manufacturing methods and construction of disks, burnt disks will usually stop being read long before pressed disks. I have found the same happens with standalone DVD players as they get old.

[Gurm]

People need to do some basic research.

Original discs aren't burnt, they're pressed. Thus, they are FAR easier to read.

[spiderman2k1]

older Xbox have bad lasers Xbox has changed there drive in the Xbox the new ones should be fine now.

[tim6661234]

Anyway back to the question.
I've done 3 with DVD Decrypter (ISO read then write), worked perfectly with DVD-ROM bitsetting. I have to say I was suprised just how well it went. No problems with Layer Break but were bound to have the odd faulty disk and some players are bound to have problems, compatability will only increase as the older players are replaced. We'll have to see what -R DL's are like when they come out.

[xavierdemon]

My second test using LOTR The Two Towers and CopyToDVD was a complete failure, the disc produced was playable on my PC (through Hollywood plus card), the layer switch was noticable. However the disc wouldn't even start in the Xbox or my Pacific DVD player. My Xbox does have a samsung drive in it which is practically the best for compatibility. As this was my last DL disc, testing futher methods will have to wait. Other methods I plan to try are 1. completely reauthoring a disc with DVDMaestro 2. removing LB info with IFOedit and creating ISO with IMGToolclassic and burning with DVDdecrypter and last but not least 3. have a go using Nero, however I don't expect this method to produce good compatible results.

[Adder_78]

3. have a go using Nero, however I don't expect this method to produce good compatible results.

Why not? I have burnt more than 100 DL's with Nero without any problems. 8)

[xavierdemon]

Why not? I have burnt more than 100 DL's with Nero without any problems.

Okay, when I get some more DL's, Nero will be first in my tests. @Adder_78, are you File mode stripping and then using DVD-Video profile in Nero?

[hunghuynh]

To Adder_78.
What DVD burner that you are using? I have problem to burn to the end with my NEC ND-2510A. I will not try again until I have a good solution. Thank you.

[rr6966]

I've done a few tests using Verbatim DL Discs om my Pioneer 108. My first burn used the lastest version of DVDdecrypter in ISO mode. It was a complete success, no problems, and plays on my Sony, Pioneer, & Samsung DVD players. I then tried DVD Shrink 3.2 & burned with Nero 6 Latest update, and it worked as well, but there was a noticeable half second layer break. This is not great but doesn't bother me that much. Compatability again was just as good as DVDdecrypter. I will note that I did get one bad DL Disc which is not good considering how few of these discs I have, and of course their price. I bought 6 of them for about $8.80 per disc.

[lordsmurf]

Why would you spend $10 on a DL disc to "backup" when the original is probably nearly the same price? Plus the pressed disc is a sure thing (no failed burns), comes with a nice screened label, and comes in a nice case.

I don't get it.

Throwing away money in the name of "experimentation" ?

[lenti_75]

me neither.....

[Capmaster]

Why would you spend $10 on a DL disc to "backup" when the original is probably nearly the same price? Plus the pressed disc is a sure thing (no failed burns), comes with a nice screened label, and comes in a nice case.

I don't get it.

Throwing away money in the name of "experimentation" ?

Exactly. They'll have to get a lot cheaper before that'd make any kind of sense

[Zetti]

Why would you spend $10 on a DL disc to "backup" when the original is probably nearly the same price? Plus the pressed disc is a sure thing (no failed burns), comes with a nice screened label, and comes in a nice case.
I don't get it.
Throwing away money in the name of "experimentation" ?

Uriah Heep - The Golden Byron era : 40 GBP - about 60 USD....

Camel - Coming of age : 30 USD

Marillion - Live at Loreley - 29 USD

Plus hundreds of others I'd spent a week writing here;


Zetti

[tim6661234]

The price of DL will fall. I've already seen it 1/2 since disks were first available £10 to £5 and I'm sure that will continue. I do think its not really economical to use the as a backup yet, but its nice not to have shrink everything.

Anyway havn't we all spent money experimenting with single layer disks over the years? What so diferent here. See if it works, use it when it makes sence and wait for the price to drop before adopting it as the main backup method. Compatablity was my main concern. I've read may threads about DL's. They started with the profits of doom predicting compatabilty problems, but when you see a thread like this one that shows people are having success its suddenly the cost of a disk. Maybe its a +/- thing but I just don't get why some have such a downer on DL. Lets face it if you don't want to use them you don't have to.

[Supreme2k]

Uriah Heep - The Golden Byron era : 40 GBP - about 60 USD....

Camel - Coming of age : 30 USD

Marillion - Live at Loreley - 29 USD

Throwing away money

[Capmaster]

Uriah Heep - The Golden Byron era : 40 GBP - about 60 USD....

Camel - Coming of age : 30 USD

Marillion - Live at Loreley - 29 USD

Throwing away money

Lordsmurf is right. Ummm ....let's see ....spend $1.00 for both SL DVD discs or $10 or $12 for a DL disc? Gee ...that's a toughie

[tim6661234]

The question here was Anyone get a perfefct 1:1 dvd-9 backup on DL media?
For people who are interested in DL / think its a good idea to post experiences. If you think its a waste of money YOU don't have to do it and you don't have to post either but there seems to be a real culture of negative (how could you be so stupid) kind of post here these days.

Lets keep to the subject and if you're not interested as the saying goes.. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

[Capmaster]

The question here was Anyone get a perfefct 1:1 dvd-9 backup on DL media?
For people who are interested in DL / think its a good idea to post experiences. If you think its a waste of money YOU don't have to do it and you don't have to post either but there seems to be a real culture of negative (how could you be so stupid) kind of post here these days.

Lets keep to the subject and if you're not interested as the saying goes.. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Sorry. You're right. I just warned someone yesterday for doing that and here I am getting caught up in it.

The question was about getting perfect 1:1 backups on DL. Back to the topic

[lordsmurf]

Uriah Heep - The Golden Byron era : 40 GBP - about 60 USD....
Camel - Coming of age : 30 USD
Marillion - Live at Loreley - 29 USD
Plus hundreds of others I'd spent a week writing here;
Zetti

See, now that makes sense to me. But LOTR movies? And other things mentioned here and in other threads? That's what I didn't get. And still don't.

I don't see anything wrong with asking "why" in this thread. If you saw somebody asking about lawncare with tweezers, you'd probably want to know why he isn't just using a lawn mower. Not everybody remembers the easy answer, some people are so busy looking for the hard way, that they miss that which is in front of their face (like buying another copy if it's almost the same price). I do this a lot myself, take the hard way because I was not thinking clearly enough to take the easier one.

The "well you did it" doesn't fly either. When SL discs cost $10 each, most new movies were DVD9 and shrink methods and even split methods did not exist. It was different back in 2001 than it is now. We tested mostly by making original content.

I wish you luck in the 1:1 thing, but don't be surprised if you get funny looks and odd questions like this.

As usual, software support is going to lag FAR behind the optical hardware.

[Adder_78]

Why not? I have burnt more than 100 DL's with Nero without any problems.

Okay, when I get some more DL's, Nero will be first in my tests. @Adder_78, are you File mode stripping and then using DVD-Video profile in Nero?

DVD Decrypter -> "File F" and then Nero -> "DVD-Video"