With Friends Like These...

[indolikaa]

OK, here's the deal.

While I was tearing my computers apart this weekend, I got a 'request' from what I thought was an anonymous individual to archive some videotapes. He says there are some 'difficulties' we may have to overcome. The first being they are Beta tapes. No problem. I still have access to a Sony Beta recorder. The second issue? Well...

SisterKnocker: "It's a bunch of Traci Lords tapes. They're 'vintage' tapes, if you know what I mean."

Indolikaa: "Are we talking about Dark Brothers vintage?"

SisterKnocker:"Yep."

Indolikaa: "As in 'If it please the Congressional Investigative Committee' vintage?"

SisterKnocker: "Yep."

Indolikaa: "As in, 'If I get caught with this shit in my possession, the best I can hope for is probation and the total forefeiture of any future work with Big Brother?"

SisterKnocker: "Yep."

Indolikaa: "You're crazy. ******* a goat is less likely to get me in trouble."

SisterKnocker: "I'll pay you $2000 cash to transfer them. Plus expenses. I want the highest quality dub I can get."


What would you do? Take the offer? Tell him to piss off?


It was a no-brainer for me.

[DVD_Ripper]

Tell them bye-bye... not worth it

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Indolikaa: "As in, 'If I get caught with this shit in my possession, the best I can hope for is probation and the total forefeiture of any future work with Big Brother?"

Out of curiosity... what would be the worst you'd expect....

[Treebeard]

Agreed, wouldnt do it.

[bugster]

As there are VCD's of many of these movies posted regularly to internet newsgroups and even DVD's available if you are one of the few that have access to the winrar password they use (or can crack it), just tell the guy where he can get them and save himself a ton of cash, and yourself a ton of work and possible trouble.

[joecav]

Why is it so dangerous to dub old porn movies? I must be missing something...anyone care to fill me in?

[Capmaster]

Pass on it. It might be a sting

[pacmania_2001]

Why is it so dangerous to dub old porn movies? I must be missing something...anyone care to fill me in?

Dito.

What's the deal with these tapes? Whats the controversy with them?

[indolikaa]

Um, Traci Lords made some porn films before she was 18...

[Shocker Milwaukee]

She was underage at the time of filming.

What's the big deal, indolikaa?

R. Kelly's still a free man.

[indolikaa]

She was underage at the time of filming.

What's the big deal, indolikaa?

R. Kelly's still a free man.

Well, for starters, R. Kelly probably didn't spent part of his life working around nuclear weapons...

Or work with law enforcement, either.

Indolikaa: "As in, 'If I get caught with this shit in my possession, the best I can hope for is probation and the total forefeiture of any future work with Big Brother?"

Out of curiosity... what would be the worst you'd expect....

In Arizona, prosecutors consider possession of child pornography and the act of molesting a child to be the same thing. I would expect them to prosecute to the fullest and the judge to back their play upon a conviction. They have absolutely zero tolerance for this kind of horseshit. They look for every violation of the law and run the sentence consecutively.

My guess? If you get out within 7 years, you're lucky. If you still have any monetary assets, you're even luckier.

[Cobra]

Wouldn't do it. Kiddie porn just isn't right, even if she is now 18.

[indolikaa]

I think it was a member of this forum, or someone who lurks. I don't advertise the fact I can do Beta transfers to people around here who use my services. Part of the conversation referenced my ability to handle Beta tapes. Hence, the reason they supposedly called me.

It could also be a prank, but I would've thought the prankster would come clean, not disappear into thin air.


This is about par for the course for me. I used to get e-mails all the time asking for serial cracks and keygens. Many of them also have/had accounts here as well. I mean, for a person whom I never conversed with to just say, "Hello, I need a serial crack for DVD-lab. Would you give it to me?"

[tekkieman]

If I were you, I wouldn't do it. If I were me, I might be tempted. Traci Lords!

[joecav]

OK now I see the problem. I would absolutely not, under any circumstances help this fellow out. $2k for risking your livlihood and possibly your freedom? No Thanks!
80's porn is too, errr, um, hairy for me anyway.

[indolikaa]

If I were you, I wouldn't do it. If I were me, I might be tempted. Traci Lords!

Sorry. She's not on my 'A' list of good-looking female-types.

Now if you want to discuss Nancy Valen, perhaps?

[tekkieman]

If I were you, I wouldn't do it. If I were me, I might be tempted. Traci Lords!

Sorry. She's not on my 'A' list of good-looking female-types.

Now if you want to discuss Nancy Valen, perhaps?

Hey, back in the 80's, she was a staple of life! Vennessa Del Rio, Seka,....

[indolikaa]

80's porn is too, errr, um, hairy for me anyway.

Now, now. There's nothing wrong with bringing the pruning shears along...


Just to clarify my feelings on the matter, shall we refer to thread #159 over at Rob's place?

I am 100% in favor of the death penalty, especially under the following circumstances:

(Other crimes ommitted, as they are irrelevant to this discussion...)
* sexual assault

By sexual assault, I am specifically referring to the sexual assault of a child under the age of 13. If the dick goes in, the needle should follow.

[The village idiot]

What? That idiot has never heard of the internet? What a fool.

[indolikaa]

OK, here's the story on what happened...


I explained, in a nutshell, my feelings on pornography in general, and underage pornography specifically. I then told him that I gain no greater pleasure in life than inflicting physical pain and suffering on those who exploit other people, whether it be for money, personal gain, or personal satisfaction.

I also told him it would be wise that he do a little bit more research before he ask complete strangers questions like that. If he happened to hear of me from local references, he might have thought to check out his intended businessman, at which time he might have noticed the marked Sheriff's department vehicle that sits in the driveway of my house more often than not!

The conversation kinda ended at that point...


Dumbass.

[Treebeard]

Go INDO!!

[Rookie64]

It's kinda weird if you think about it - I bet Traci is older than you, indolikaa, as well as most here...she's well into her mid 30s.
And she most certainly looks nothing like a child in those videos.

These were commercial movies, and only became illegal years later when the news broke that Traci had lied about her age during the time the films were made.

Of course the movies were pulled from the shelves, but I doubt the ones who already owned copies destroyed theirs...and never heard about it being against the law if they didn't.

A few of those were reissued with Traci's hardcore scenes edited out.

I think you'd have some strong defense over legal issues if you hadn't acknowledged that you're aware of Traci's age in those films.


Those films are legal in many other countries - in Sweden, they air those movies on TV (completely uncut).


But play it safe and pass on that offer.

[indolikaa]

It's kinda weird if you think about it - I bet Traci is older than you, indolikaa, as well as most here...she's well into her mid 30s.
And she most certainly looks nothing like a child in those videos.

These were commercial movies, and only became illegal years later when the news broke that Traci had lied about her age during the time the films were made.

Of course the movies were pulled from the shelves, but I doubt the ones who already owned copies destroyed theirs...and never heard about it being against the law if they didn't.

A few of those were reissued with Traci's hardcore scenes edited out.

I think you'd have some strong defense over legal issues if you hadn't acknowledged that you're aware of Traci's age in those films.


Those films are legal in many other countries - in Sweden, they air those movies on TV (completely uncut).


But play it safe and pass on that offer.

Those films are also legal in France. There has been some controversy over previous 'dubs' that have circumvented US law by being handled in France, under the idea that because they were not 'edited' they remain perfectly legal property.

I would be shocked if somebody could prove they remain legal here. The fact that they were made under the presumption of her being an adult does not make the films legal if she was, in fact, underage. I wouldn't have accepted the offer anyway. I don't offer video transfer services for those kind of home movies.

[housepig]

I'm right there with you - I wouldn't do the transfer for my grandmother, much less some anonymous internet user.

I know someone that got a ton of beta pron at the same time I got mine, there was a T. Lords tape in there as well... he burned it unwatched.

[indolikaa]

I'm right there with you - I wouldn't do the transfer for my grandmother, much less some anonymous internet user.

I know someone that got a ton of beta pron at the same time I got mine, there was a T. Lords tape in there as well... he burned it unwatched.

Some anonymous Internet user...

That's the part of this whole equation that stills causes me to drop my jaw. Still. Even after two days, I'm still going, "Huh?"

Huh?

[Rookie64]

I'm right there with you - I wouldn't do the transfer for my grandmother, much less some anonymous internet user.

I know someone that got a ton of beta pron at the same time I got mine, there was a T. Lords tape in there as well... he burned it unwatched.

There's bound to be one in there - she's credited for appearing in at least 77 hardcore videos (and that's not counting the hundreds of books and magazines she's been featured in)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000183/


Took them long enough to figure out she was underage.


I don't think the audience should be held responsible for the actors' ages in any film - underground and obvious child porn is one thing but mainstream is something else.
The people who produced this stuff aren't behind bars, and neither is Traci...and I'd say they are more guilty for their own actions...not someone veiwing electronic images of something produced commercially two decades ago.


They used to air these movies on American cable stations as well, such as The Playboy Channel, which my cable provider used to offer free service in the 80s.


Say it becomes illegal to own any artworks or films with underaged nudity - that would make many movies illegal, including Zeffirelli's classic
Romeo and Juliet or hundreds of paintings from the 14th - 17th centuries.


I know the intentions are good, but to erase history is kinda of impossible.

Learn from past mistakes made - don't try to cover it up is what I'm saying.


I agree though with not converting any porn for anyone - it'll keep you out of trouble 8)

[indolikaa]

Rookie64,


I don't have an argument against what you've said. I'm objective and open-minded enough to consider both sides of any argument. Had this been a user I knew from the forums, or a local whom I personally knew, I would've just said, "I'm sorry, but even putting my feelings for this type of issue aside, I cannot risk it. I am a public servant, and people expect me to be held to a higher standard, and this is one standard I think I should be held to."

There is a HUGE billboard in Holbrook on the Business Loop 40 on your way to Los Angeles. It's a picture of some redneck in handcuffs with the caption above reading, "What part of 'Under 18' don't you understand?" It's a huge problem out here, and for reasons I wouldn't discuss here but would gladly tackle over at politick.org.uk.

No, I do not believe the audience should be held accountable for the actions of cheats and liars. The cheats and liars should be locked up and the keys should be thrown away.

But let me tell you how it usually happens. 'They' want to see Traci Lords in her early years. 'They' see it. 'They' tell themselves it was just out of curiosity, but then 'they' want to see someone else of that age. And when 'they' have had their fill on movies and pictures, 'they' want to experience it firsthand. And before you know it...

[housepig]

Indo, Indo, Indo... I was with you until the last paragraph.

saying that looking at a Traci Lords clip is a gateway to molesting kids is like saying that air is a gateway to heroin... after all, all heroin users breathe air.

@rookie -

I think you'd have a hard time with the "I didn't know that she was underage" defense. if a pedophile has a kid-pron magazine, it doesn't matter that he didn't take the pictures, or print the magazine, or distribute it, or even if he's never touched a kid - he's still guilty of posessing child pron.

[Rookie64]

But let me tell you how it usually happens. 'They' want to see Traci Lords in her early years. 'They' see it. 'They' tell themselves it was just out of curiosity, but then 'they' want to see someone else of that age. And when 'they' have had their fill on movies and pictures, 'they' want to experience it firsthand. And before you know it...

I agree with what you're sayin'
It's a problem that's gotten out of hand...and at times I think the media encourages or provokes some of these pervs by putting these ideas into their heads.
But it comes down to these people who have a problem - can't put all the blame on stuff around them.
They'll find other things to feed their fantasies, I'm sure. They are all responsible for their own actions, IMO.

For the record, I'm not one of them - I'm not even into Traci or porn for that matter (not the hardcore side of it anyway)

But I don't feel that all people who happen to have something she's appeared in are into child porn or have interest in such things.
A lot may not be aware of her age in those videos.

[indolikaa]

@ housepig / Rookie64,


The reason I used the word they in single quotes was to imply the characteristic behavior of those whose end result is a long visit to one of the states' less comfortable facilities. I was not implying that all those who wish to see Traci Lords in her younger years are raving pedophiles, nor are they going to end up that way.

Perhaps a bad choice of grammar on my part?

I DO have concerns about people who call up my house, unannounced, wanting services performed that are questionable at best, and illegal at worst. How did they become aware of my skills? Where did they get my name and number? Where were they calling from? What was their name?

Well, for the most part, the video and audio work I've done out here has been for a population that is very heavily Mormon, very devout in their beliefs, and not likely to have closet fetishes like this. Is it possible? Sure, it's possible. But not likely, considering the client base. And besides, I don't do work for people I don't know, or somebody can't give me a good recommend for.

And in regards to Traci Lords? Remember, I'm the one that asked if these 'vintage' tapes could get me into trouble. The caller confirmed that, so the caller obviously knew the age of one Ms. Traci Lords.



As for vices being categorically applied, I do understand that, housepig. I drink more vodka than I probably should, but does that make me an alcoholic? Not according to my doctor.

[housepig]

Indo -

fair enough - I just hate to see a slippery-slope argument coming from such a high-functioning debating machine such as yourself.

I didn't realize that you got a phone call - I thought this was a PM or email solicitation. fuuuuuuuuck that noise.

you can send any (legal) requests for pr0n conversion my way, though... I have no such standing to be corrupted by transferring hamster pron. and after some of the stuff in the housepig library, I have a pretty strong stomach. (still gotta get a copy of the fire-extinguisher insertion from my friend... and the posterior apple-cannon... the archives are ever-expanding..)