PS2 V XBOX

[baker]

So what does everyone think? Is the xbox going to give gamers what they really want?
ETC:interactive surrounds no more dead walls, Higher resolutions, faster framrates, DivX Support??, No need to buy addons (multitap harddrive) cause there already there...

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[tigerwolf]

well I want to see what exactly is released and what support they get from software makers. To my understanding only a few titles are going to be available. The reason why I wish to wait to see what exactly will be released is that the ps2 was suppose to be so much more then what was released. Though it also irritates me that the japanese version of ps2 is different then the one we have in the states. Though that has always annoyed me about electronics.
They already changed the x-box specs at least once, but from what a few friends have told me its more like twice, so we shall see. Though given its about to be released the specs should be final now, should be. LOL.

Though I admit the games that they have on the platter right now look pretty cool and the specs sound pretty awesome.

Hey I know what about the nintendo cube, dolphin, or whatever that piece of dung is suppose to be. LOL. Are they still planning to release it next year?

http://www.xbox.com/

hey ps2 is suppose to drop in price when x-box is released.
The one perk the ps2 has over the x-box is backward compatiblity.

[DVI]

"well I want to see what exactly is released and what support they get from software makers. To my understanding only a few titles are going to be available."

That's a common misconception about the Xbox, while there may only be 15 or so at launch, over 300 games are in the works from around 250 developers. ( Check out http://www.gorillax.com for a listing ) Also, pretty much every major Japanese developer is working on titles, at least for the US market. The question is how well will it be supported in Japan ( by developers and the public ).

"Hey I know what about the nintendo cube, dolphin, or whatever that piece of dung is suppose to be. LOL. Are they still planning to release it next year?"

It's supposed to be out 3 days after the Xbox in the US. Nov. 15th Xbox, 18th ( a Sunday? ) GameCube.


"hey ps2 is suppose to drop in price when x-box is released."

Actually I think the price drop ( to $279 ) is supposed to happen right around the holidays.

"The one perk the ps2 has over the x-box is backward compatiblity"

Oh, don't worry - I'm positive we'll be playing PS ( and probably every other console and arcade game, including DC eventually ) on the Xbox sooner or later. There's already alot of homebrew software, emulators, video + mp3 players, etc. software available for the Dreamcast, I think that scene will eventually carry to the Xbox. Maybe not immediately, but down the road.


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[jeex]

*impressed by DVI*

he made tigerwolf look like a complete ass

he's my hero =)

[nfl2k2]

I think Ps2 will win overall, but I don't really care anymore. I used to be a big console fan and everything. Now that I suped up my PC, that's all I play games with anymore. On top of cheap pc game prices (instead of 50$ for one damn game!) I can also get my old snes games from web sites and play them also. I have about 10 N64 games as well.

If I had to pick a console I wanted to win, It'd be Gamecube because Nintendo has been around forever.

[ejai]

I personally like the PS2 over the XBOX. I happened to see a demostration of the Xbox and some of the game demos, I was not impressed. The anti-alias filtering made most of the games look blurred. The graphics of one the football games looked very bad, mainly because the figures were distorted. EA sports Madden on the PS2 looked better.

I was planning to buy the Xbox but after seeing the games I was really dissapointed. I now that the Xbox's power is beyond any game system that is presently available, but power doesn't make a console great, the games do.

[Operationz]

monopoly box....I mean xbox is garbage.
if people out there think graphics make the gamez, then they're already brainwashed!

[Octagon]

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On 2001-10-23 00:03:27, ejai wrote:
I personally like the PS2 over the XBOX. I happened to see a demostration of the Xbox and some of the game demos, I was not impressed. The anti-alias filtering made most of the games look blurred. The graphics of one the football games looked very bad, mainly because the figures were distorted. EA sports Madden on the PS2 looked better.

I was planning to buy the Xbox but after seeing the games I was really dissapointed. I now that the Xbox's power is beyond any game system that is presently available, but power doesn't make a console great, the games do.


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Your a fool. I played the Xbox. THe graphics are much better. The anti aliasing looks much better than PS2. I saw some games on PS2 like GT3, DMC and ZOE and I was not impressed with its graphics. I played munch's odyssey and man that game looked nice and was really fun. Bastard at EB almost kicked me out for playing on it too long.

-BUY AMERICAN

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[septor]

From someone who has a ps2 and is still purchasing a xbox
the anti aliasing looks much better on the ps2
abes odyessy is crap
who will play it
I want a real xbox game like doa3 still had jaggies
not much of a difference really

[tigerwolf]

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On 2001-10-22 22:53:32, jeex wrote:
*impressed by DVI*

he made tigerwolf look like a complete ass

he's my hero =)

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Actually I believe the point was to inform and not to make me look like an ass. While I could be wrong, I am still grateful for the information. Thanks DVI.

ttfn,
TW

[bbb]

I had been thinking about buying some Xboxes and Gamecubes ... to ebay but it doesn't appear there will be a shortage or great enough demand.

Personally, I stick with PC games ... specifically Starcraft and eventually move on to Warcraft 3 whenever that comes out. There is no substitute for a good multiplayer Blizzard RTS.

I really don't see anything special with consoles anymore. Even though I own NES, SNES (300+ games), and PSX (400+ games), I haven't played them for years. PSX2 is just smoother aliasing but games look and play the same. No real improvement. Same with PC FPS Quake ... Q2 ... Q3 Tourny ... I mean it's all the same. No real change in gameplay just smoother graphics which still don't look lifelike. They also have no staying value because everyone is looking for the next version or latest FPS which unjustly requires more PC upgrades ... ridiculous waste of time and cold hard cash.

Well enough of my rants on the game industry, back to reading about SVCD encoding options/tips/templates.

[tigerwolf]

of course none of the systems can compare to the atari 2600. Now that was a system. I mean quality games. Pac-man, joust, raiders of the lost ark, missile command, and all the rest of the great games. Sorry just feeling a little nostalgic there. LOL. Heck I still remember my first computer the trs-80 color computer 2. Those were the days. Hey anyone remember pong? And no I'm not referring to the computer game, but the gaming system.

I guess I best quit goofing off and get some work done. Take care.
TW

[d4n13l]

My gran has a working Pong game system, I used to play it for ages. Probably doesnt work anymore but hey, I could make one if I wanted - you can even buy electronics DIY kits that make the system.

I would have to say also that the PS2 will not fail; it has already succeded as it has had NO competition since its release. Sony now has a HUGE following in the games market, Microsoft have like next to zero share in the console arena. If the Xbox is too succeed then it will have to pry away some loyal Sony-ers - Not that easy seeing as the PS2 is backward compatible with their existing PS games (Which play better on a PS2). Xbox has a big job ahead of itself if it is too do well, otherwise it will end up like another Dreamcast. The problem the PS2 had is that no matter what, it would never live up to everyones expectations. The Playstation was revolutionary, it changed gameing and people perception of gamers forever. Gaming was made socially acceptable, not just for "geeks" and "kids". The Playstation2 is exactly what is says on the tin: Playstation 2. Same kind of thing with the original Star Wars and the follow-up.

Regarding Anti Aliasing, apparently the PS2 is hard to code for so AA is hard to implement for developers.

[tigerwolf]

here's one I don't think you'll see for the x-box. LOL

ps2 and linux.

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-7627633.html?tag=lh


have a great day.
TW

[ejai]

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On 2001-10-23 01:49:19, Octagon wrote:
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On 2001-10-23 00:03:27, ejai wrote:
I personally like the PS2 over the XBOX. I happened to see a demostration of the Xbox and some of the game demos, I was not impressed. The anti-alias filtering made most of the games look blurred. The graphics of one the football games looked very bad, mainly because the figures were distorted. EA sports Madden on the PS2 looked better.

I was planning to buy the Xbox but after seeing the games I was really dissapointed. I now that the Xbox's power is beyond any game system that is presently available, but power doesn't make a console great, the games do.


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Your a fool. I played the Xbox. THe graphics are much better. The anti aliasing looks much better than PS2. I saw some games on PS2 like GT3, DMC and ZOE and I was not impressed with its graphics. I played munch's odyssey and man that game looked nice and was really fun. Bastard at EB almost kicked me out for playing on it too long.

-BUY AMERICAN

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You're an idiot, and get a life. anti alias doesn't make a game system great. I conducted an experiment using some friends of mine to actually test out the xbox and their findings were similar to mine. They were not impressed with the graphics either in terms of realism.

I know that you can't blame Microsoft for graphics that were created by game manufacturers. My 11 year old son who loves gaming thought the playstation games were more fun and looked better.

It's all a matter of taste.

[Feslmogh]

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Wait a minute... I thought Microsoft MADE XBox...

[nfl2k2]

If you're comparing Xbox and Ps2 graphics, why spend 300$ for one, when for the same price you can buy a GeForce 3 for your PC and bump the resolution up to 1800*1600? Plus you're playing PC games on a monitor which looks a lot sharper than a TV.

[TPW]

well not every console gamer plays on the pc, i only enjoy fps and shooters on my pc thanks to the kb and mouse, but i must admit when i had a dreamcast and i was playing snes and nes and neo geo on it, it's a lot more fun than playing it on your high resoltuion computer. When someone has a 19 inch monitor vs a 30 inch tv i think they'll choose the tv since more people can enjoy it at once.

also why rip/convert dvds, divx and other things to vcd or svcd since this is vcdhelp.com, to see it on a tv.

[tigerwolf]

okay to bring this up, now that x-box is released here in the US. So who has an x-box? and how's it going? is it comparable to the ps2 and which do you prefer? hmm?

[mijman]

I'll wait until there is a pc emulator for BOTH of these systems. Hell, all 3.

Micro$oft actually loses $100 on each xbox it sells, but the company (Bill) is so rich, it doesn't matter. (sickening, isn't it?)

BTW, compared to the xbox and ps2, gamecube is S H I T
Gamecube is a child's toy. PERIOD
3 inch game cds? Are they out of their minds? Why on earth would they want to SEVERELY limit their game sizes by design? I think they know how quickly the cds will be lost by the 5 year olds and will have to be replaced.

The worthiness of a system based upon launch titles is just foolish. Everyone knows that it takes 8 months to a year for programmers to become familiar enough with the hardware before they can produce the best stuff. You guys seem to be comparing xbox launch titles with ps2 titles that are coming out now. Instead, compare with ps2 LAUNCH titles.
The xbox is a far more powerful machine (pentium 3, 733 mhz!) than anything else out there right now, short of a more powerful PC, and when a year rolls around, see the level of the games then.
If I was going to buy a system this year, it would be a PS2, though. The sheer number of games availiable, makes it a no-brainer, and they're easy to get now. Add in the holiday sale price (which sony is smart to do) and the right-out-of-the-box DVD playback. And they're mod-chippable already

Xbox will be better next year.

[d4n13l]

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On 2001-11-19 22:18:55, mijman wrote:
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What makes the Xbox "far more powerful than anything else out there right now"? A 733Mhz P3 as a CPU?
The P3 may run at 733Mhz, but it is only 32 bit. The PS2's CPU is 128 bit and runs at nearly 300Mhz. Besides, the P3 is a CISC based CPU, where as the PS2 has a RISC based CPU.
The Xbox and PS2 CPUs are a world apart in architecture.
In actual fact, the power of each system is pretty evenly matched.
The 3 inch (or 8 CM) disks that the Gamecube uses are in a bid to curb piracy. They can hold up to 1.5GB, it is true that this is overshadowed by the DVD storage that the Xbox and PS2 use. But, bear in mind that storage isnt everything - The Super Mario cartridge for the N64 "only" held around 8MB. The PS2 and Xbox only use the DVD storage out of compatablity, that is the ability to play DVD films. The smaller disk size also gives future hand-held possibilities. They are anything but out of thier minds to use 3" disks, I doubt that the media size will ever hold back the Gamecube.
I think that the Gamecube will appeal to old skool gamers (those who know that gaming didnt begin with the PS) and younger gamers.

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[Macros746]

All this talk about power is completely useless...in the end it will all come down to what games come out for what system. It is UNFAIR to compare the Gamecube and X-Box games with what amounts to the beginnings of the 3rd generation of PS2 games. I meant look at the leaps made at the beginning of PS to the end....we are talking about a console with a 33 mhz chip! Ultimately, the X-Box is the most powerful, the PS2 has the best 3rd party support and the best game library, the Gamecube has the best 1st party games (metroid and zelda anyone?) and is apparently the easiest to program for. In short, this is still anyones game and for anyone to say that one system is "clearly" better than another is just wrong. My advice: wait a year and then see what is what....


Mark

[d4n13l]

Well said.

It is like comparing apples to oranges.

[Macros746]

The other thing that does make this matchup interesting is launch times. I would say that PS2 would have been in some serious trouble had it launched at the same time as it's competitors....programmers had a VERY hard time figuring out how to utilize it's power (interesting considering that PS ease of programming was one of the main reasons it won the war with it's slightly more powerful competitor the Sega Saturn). But that having been said, Sony seems to have been able to help out developers to the point that they can do pretty much what ever they want with the PS2. But timing IS everything as the unfortunate demise of the EXCELLENT Dreamcast proves....X-Box is really going to have to come up with some killer apps soon if it is going to show the brilliant potential that is has. I saw Halo running in a store the other day...pretty...but not a step up from my high end PC....in that respect I am more facinated by the PS2...you can't compare it to PC because the games are so completely removed...there is nothing even close to Devil May Cry on PC...sadly...sniff.

Mark

[thunes]

I have tried the Xbox personaly. Been on a release party..
My opinion:

- (MINUS)
1. The X-box looks rather old. (I like the PS2 - blue art)
2. The Controller is too big. (maybe I got small hands, but I think the controller didn't fit me)
3. The games are up and down. They had some really great games..(tried the snowboard, halo and another..)
But I guess its just a time issue before the real games come out.

+ (PLUS)
The big + was that is has an harddrive. you can store your games on the x-box. This is really great! So you don't have to switch discs. And is it quite fast too!

[nfl2k2]

the bad thing about the harddrive is it's 10gb. I've got around 20 games on my pc and they take up 8gb. So for the rich people who have 30+ Xbox games, their HD will fill up.

[Macros746]

Are you required to load them onto your harddrive or is that just an option for faster loading?

mark

[d4n13l]

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the bad thing about the harddrive is it's 10gb. I've got around 20 games on my pc and they take up 8gb. So for the rich people who have 30+ Xbox games, their HD will fill up.
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...then they will want to buy the UltraSuperDuper optional extra add-on 40GB HD... which I expect that M$ will "convieniently" be selling.


Macros746,
It is optional.

[Battra92]

I have owned a few consoles in my day but I can say this, NO ONE has made a better console than Sega. but alas they are gone and though I keep my dreamcast close to my heart its time to move on.

I never liked the Playstation and I don't have any interest in the PS2. That leaves the Xbox and the Gamecube. From what I saw with the store displays I was impressed. Both systems look like they have had years of R&D and fine tuning behind them, but I have to say that the Gamecube was always a step ahead of anything MS had. This is why I choose the GCN to be a worthy competitor.

1) I have 2 DVD players why should I pay 100 dollars extra for another one.
2) The Cube is small are even has a handle. This thing would fit easily in my bedroom where most of my videogaming takes place. The XBOX reminds me of a BetaMax machine. Big and Clunky.
3) as mentioned before Nintendo has the better 1st party titles. My first console gaming experience that I can remember was good old Super Mario Bros (I'm sure it was for many people.) So we got the Plumbers and, hey why not, we even get Pikachu and Zelda.
4) Sega is making Sonic for it. 'Nuff said.
5) Microsoft has enough money!!! Tell them to stay out of the console world!!

some bad notes. No fighting games. Though Capcom is making Streetfigher games for the Game Boy Advance, I haen't heard anything about the GameCube. I suppose I can live without that of course. ^__^

Still for my maximum gaming you just can't beat the good ol' NES!

[d4n13l]

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On 2001-11-20 15:18:25, Battra92 wrote:
I have owned a few consoles in my day but I can say this, NO ONE has made a better console than Sega.
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Sega... Pronounced "Nintendo"


"Still for my maximum gaming you just can't beat the good ol' NES!"
Amen.