SICK mofo's...

[beavereater]

I got phone call yesterday, while eating dinner with my girl and some friends (Birthday party) from my mother-in-law saying that there was some guy who tried to get in our apartment by rattleing the door. THEN...just stood there for about 20 minutes waiting. My girl immediately called the cops but by that time the guy was gone.

At first, I thought it was just some punk trying to steal shit. BUT the cops said this "From what your mother said, it seems this guy new what time your girl was coming home (Except this day we happen to be at a party). He tried to open the door and figured ratteling it would get some attention and that she (My girl) might be stupid enough to open the door. After figuring out she wasn't home yet, his reason for sticking around WASN'T to figure out a way in, but to wait for her to come along unsuspectingly. Not for stealing, but most likely assaulting...she would probably ignore him and after my girl would open the door, he would charge in with her."

I wasn't sure how the cop came to that conclusion, so I asked. He said "In the last couple years, thats how they've been doing it. They follow home pretty girls from train stations and subway stations, and watch them go into their apartments, stalking them for a short period. Most Japanese girls who don't live with family, live alone. Boyfriends and girlfriends hardly live together. And since you and your girl come home at completely different times (She gets back between 6 and 7, and I get back between 10 and 11) and since your mother-in-law never leaves the apartment (71 years old...can barely move) The guy probably thought she lived alone. That's what they are looking for."

My apartment has a keylock to get into the actual building, but along the side, all thats keeping anyone from coming in is a high fence...something anyone can climb. There are cameras...at the front and back entrances, and in the elevator, but not in for the stairs. SO people can come in and out without being seen by cameras.

Anyway, the reason for this thread is...I asked the cop what I could do if "I" caught the guy trying to get in, or caught him grabbing my girl in the middle of the act. He said "Unless there was physical proof that rape was his intention, then nothing unless he hit you to try and get away, which is what most of them do when caught in the act." Personally...I would go nuts, and probably tear his off...what about you!?

A little FYI for everyone: Stalking was only made illegal 2 years ago. Before that, nothing could be done. However, even now people who report stalking are treated poorly by cops who look at it like 2 kids just being juveniles and over reacting.

[pacmania_2001]

Wire up your door handle to a car battery.

[beavereater]

Actually...not a bad idea!! Wonder if that would work!? Easy!?

[pacmania_2001]

No idea whether it would work or not.

You'd have to take into account things like voltage and grounding. Maybe a resident sparky on VideoHelp can give you the answer.

You could also try putting a sign on the door saying area under video camera survellience (sp?) or hooking up a PC camera to detect motion then have it connected to a computer which plays a male voice soundbite that says "Oh, what the **** do you want?"

[gastorgrab]

You'll need either a Step up transformer or a Ignition Coil from the junkyard.

Connect a pressure switch under the doormat to charge it up, then go grab a 10 second timer from the local hardware store to have it discharge over and over.

[thecoalman]

That reminds me of a story myu uncle told me about a guy who hooked up his car so that anyone who sat on the hood would get zapped... Guess he parked in a place where a lot people used to hang out and they would always be sitting or leaning on it.

[The village idiot]

If your door has a peep hole, you can get a camera to replace it for a fairly small amount of money. Hook it to a DVR card, and record all day.

[Capmaster]

Wire up your door handle to a car battery.

12 volts wouldn't even make your fingers tingle. Touch a battery "+" post with one hand and a "-" post with the other with dry hands and you'll see. Because of skin resistance the body won't even feel anything under 50 volts or so unless your hands are wet and slightly salty (sweaty). If they are you'll feel a slight tingle from 12 volts. Like when we used to test 9v batteries by touching them on our tongue - gotta be wet to even feel it

[pacmania_2001]

Hook the door upto your powerpoint then. :P

[Capmaster]

Hook the door upto your powerpoint then. :P

Now you're talking

[gastorgrab]

A Secondary Ignition coil steps up 12 volts to at least 50,000 volts (low current), depending on the charge time.

Trust me, he'll notice.

[Capmaster]

A Secondary Ignition coil steps up 12 volts to at least 50,000 volts (low current), depending on the charge time.

Trust me, he'll notice.

Perfect - non-lethal (only a few milliamps or even microamps) but guaranteed to stand their hair on end

[thecoalman]

Think the step up was the same deal wit the car....

[The village idiot]

Please note: In most countries, charging the door handle will get you thrown in jail.


Besides, how do you open the door when the electricity is on?

How about a piezo igniter from a stove or furnace or what have you. Put down a "welcome" mat with a switch to run the motor to flex the piezo. They stand on the mat, the igniter starts clicking, and the spark starts jumping. Better to have 2 electrodes on the door handle that can't be seen. Same mat switch could be used with the auto coil. Remember that the coil only produces a spark when the pirmary has a complete connection, and that the connection must be intermittant or the coil will not "charge". A motor with a cam and a series of switches would work fine to charge/discharge the coil. Also remember that the casing of the coil is the return (ground) and must be connected to the criminal. Or connect to something that is very close to the door handle, hopefully when the handle is touched, the distance between the scumbag's hand and the ground will be small enough to let the spark jump. Or just get a grounding anti-static type mat and connect the ground lead to the coil case.

Also you then NEED the camera so that you can see the reaction when the scumbag gets shocked!

[Will Hay]

Hook the door upto your powerpoint then. :P

Powerpoint?
What good is that MS peice of shit going to do?
Confuse the hell out of him?

Will

[thecoalman]

Besides, how do you open the door when the electricity is on?

I dunno maybe a secret external switch, with a key maybe? Wear rubber gloves?

Here's a better idea. Print this picture and tape it to your front door.

BTW that's a 50 cal. barrel

[northcat_8]

Personally I would find some time to be near...around the time she gets home, hangout and catch him...beat the shit out of him. Put him in the trunk of the car...drive him way out in the middle of nowhere (I don't know about Japan, but in Ohio we have some places that aren't near anywhere). Beat the shit out of him again. Strip his punk ass buck naked, tie him to a tree, cover him in honey and leave his punk ass out there.

[flaninacupboard]

Personally I would find some time to be near...around the time she gets home, hangout and catch him...beat the shit out of him. Put him in the trunk of the car...drive him way out in the middle of nowhere (I don't know about Japan, but in Ohio we have some places that aren't near anywhere). Beat the shit out of him again. Strip his punk ass buck naked, tie him to a tree, cover him in honey and leave his punk ass out there.

I've added that to the official RWA handbook!

[beavereater]

Personally I would find some time to be near...around the time she gets home, hangout and catch him...beat the shit out of him. Put him in the trunk of the car...drive him way out in the middle of nowhere (I don't know about Japan, but in Ohio we have some places that aren't near anywhere). Beat the shit out of him again. Strip his punk ass buck naked, tie him to a tree, cover him in honey and leave his punk ass out there.

THIS IS EXACTLY what I want to do...only problem, no car!! I could take him to the near by park though and just call up all my buddies!! They all live within 2 minutes (Its a cheap area to live in, thats why all us foreigners live there.)

I like the electric shock door handle idea...just a bit too much work for someone like me. I'd end up zapping myself too many times before getting it hooked up.

The camera for a peephole is good. I will check into that.

[northcat_8]

The doorknob is not difficult, you'll just get caught and get in trouble. My way, unless he sees you...he has no idea.

Easy doorknob shock treatment...providing your door is wood.....

Step #1 - solder an electrical connector to the knob, handle, side, shield...doesn't matter...anywhere.
Step #2 - cut an extension cord in half
Step #3 - crimp the opposite connector to the extention cord (I would use the female end on the extention cord and solder the male end.)
Step #4 - repeat step 3 for the other lead but instead of soldering the male end on the doorknob. Take a plastic bag, cut it so it lays flat. Take some aluminum foil and place on top of a plastic bag so the bag is between the floor and the foil. Now crush the foil around the male connector and use electrical tape to make sure it doesn't come loose. But make sure that the rest of the foil is in a sheet and is the size of the mat.
Step #5 - place "welcome" mat over foil.
Step #6 - plug it in and walk away.

IF you have a metal door, then you need to remove the knob and take a inner tube for a car tire and cut it out to insulate the doorknob from the door. This is much more teadious because you have to insulate everything from the door...including the dead bolt and everything...anything that contacts the knob. But in such case that your door is metal, just attach the male end to the door itself.

Make sure the positive goes to the door. The ground lead to the foil is just to make sure you get a good ground, just incase your hallway is a wood floor, something..sometimes you won't get a good ground. Oh and make sure you dampen the welcome mat (very important to dampen the mat).

If you are really wanting to be a dick about it, do the same thing but with a 220 outlet rather than a 110. Or if you have access to a portable welder, you can just clamp the leads on and sit back and watch the sparks fly.

It's really not difficult to do, and if you have all the pieces you need, it can be done in under 5 minutes. Also make sure neither side of the knob is covered with a coating. You may need to do some scratching or sanding...all you need is one bare metal spot.

Happy Shocking.

[northcat_8]

Ummmm....regarding my post above.....

At least that's how I....HEARD....it could be done

[pacmania_2001]

THIS IS EXACTLY what I want to do...only problem, no car!! I could take him to the near by park though and just call up all my buddies!! They all live within 2 minutes (Its a cheap area to live in, thats why all us foreigners live there.)

Don't they have rental cars in Japan?

[The village idiot]

Solder? What are you kidding We don't need no stinking solder! Just clamp the sucker on, or hell even hold it on with rubber bands, as long as you have a metal to metal contact, you don't need much more. Solder is far to permanent, and it takes too long.

I still like the floormat switch and grounding pad. That way you get a good ground, and a way to avoid the shock when you come home, but it does take more time and materials.

[beavereater]

Well...as for the shock idea...do you think if I bought one of those tazer or stun guns, and while the guy was rattling the door knob, just electrify the door handle from the inside with the stun gun!? Or would this do nothing at all...I am no expert on this, but all ideas on traps are welcome.

As for getting caught...someone unwelcomed and trespassing in my apartment would be in more trouble. In Japan anyway, I don't hear of many criminals walking into a police station saying "I was trying to rape this girl, but while trying to break into her place, I got jolted with electricity!"

Still, in the end, the best thing would be to catch him. Not only would I have the satisfaction of beating the shit outta him, I would probably get a large sum of money from his family, if he had one, to keep things quiet!! Just a little side story about how some perverts can be such chicken shits:

My girl was walking home one day, and a businessman passing by grabbed her tit (They all pretend like its an accident) Anyway, my girl turned around with the hook of her umbrella and pulled him to the ground by the neck. His brief case opened, and business cards fell out.
"I know where you work now (ENTER BAD LANGUAGE HERE)...you'll see me tomorrow at your work place telling everyone what a pervert you are." This is all toned down, as I don't wanna get a yellow card Anyway, at first he was like "You can't prove anything!" And with complete confidence in her face she said "You really think that's gonna matter, everyones always gonna wonder, and I am gonna make sure it gets back to your family too." THEN he started pissing his pants "OH come on...I have a wife, 2 kids...what do you want.."

She made him go with her to the police station to fill out a report that he did this...the cops were surprised. Anyway, Japan is terrible for stalking and perverts. They now have female only carts on the subways during rush hour, cause pervs get on there in groups and try to feel out high school girls, office ladies...they even play an announcement in Japanese everytime you get on a train "Remember, being a pervert is illegal, don't do it" Amazing...

[flaninacupboard]

just electrify the door handle from the inside with the stun gun!? Or would this do nothing at all...I am no expert on this, but all ideas on traps are welcome.

Electricity goes for the route of least resistance, the electricity would just go from one side of the handle to the other, not harming the perv. what -will- work, run a cable under the door where he'll be standing, attach other end to one peg on your stungun. when the perv is there touch other peg on the handle and let rip.

...they even play an announcement in Japanese everytime you get on a train "Remember, being a pervert is illegal, don't do it" Amazing...

That's just fucked up

[thayne]

Well...as for the shock idea...do you think if I bought one of those tazer or stun guns, and while the guy was rattling the door knob, just electrify the door handle from the inside with the stun gun!? Or would this do nothing at all...I am no expert on this, but all ideas on traps are welcome.

I'm pretty sure that would not work. Electricity takes the path of less resistance. That's why you can grab someone and zap them and you will not feel it.

How old is she? Is pepper spray legal there? I'd get her a can of pepper spray or arm her with a stun gun.

Anyway, Japan is terrible for stalking and perverts.

I read 90% of child porn comes out of Japan...

[northcat_8]

Electricity goes for the route of least resistance, the electricity would just go from one side of the handle to the other, not harming the perv. what -will- work, run a cable under the door where he'll be standing, attach other end to one peg on your stungun. when the perv is there touch other peg on the handle and let rip.

Touching the doorknob with the stun gun may not work, I don't know, haven't tried that, but I promise you wiring the outlet to it will...as long as the door knob is insulated from a ground...which it would be if it is a wood door. Hell if it's an outside door and he will be standing on concrete you don't even need the tinfoil under the welcome mat.

[tekkieman]

blah..blah..blah...
Make sure the positive goes to the door. The ground lead to the foil is just to make sure you get a good ground, just incase your hallway is a wood floor, something..sometimes you won't get a good ground. Oh and make sure you dampen the welcome mat (very important to dampen the mat).

If you are really wanting to be a dick about it, do the same thing but with a 220 outlet rather than a 110. Or if you have access to a portable welder, you can just clamp the leads on and sit back and watch the sparks fly.

It's really not difficult to do, and if you have all the pieces you need, it can be done in under 5 minutes. Also make sure neither side of the knob is covered with a coating. You may need to do some scratching or sanding...all you need is one bare metal spot.

Happy Shocking.

Sorry northcat (and surprized nobody caught it yet!), AC = Alternating Current - Hence, no positive side!

[flaninacupboard]

He probably just means live.

[northcat_8]

Sorry northcat (and surprized nobody caught it yet!), AC = Alternating Current - Hence, no positive side!

I'm no electrician...obviously.

I have not tried to shock someone through a door.

When I did this I wired my toolbox where I use to work because people were breaking into it on other shifts. When I did I drilled a small hole through the front of the toolbox and ran a wire through that hole and soldered it to the master lock. I then bolted the black wire to the leg of the toolbox. I used inner tube patches that we had in the shop to keep the lock from touching the toolbox.

I wasn't there when the "sparks" flew so to speak but I got in a lot of trouble for it when I went to work that night. Suspended 3 days. I also got suspended 3 days for welding a toolbox to the ceiling of the shop. (it belonged to the guy who had been breaking into mine) and then I got suspended 3 more days for welding a co-worker to the jig table. It took 3 people to hold him down so we could get holes cut in the toes of his steel toed shoes but once we got him tacked to the angle iron it was much easier. We taped his hands and shoe strings and he stood there all night...we had to build a little railing around him because he almost fell down a few times. ******...I can't stand that guy...funny thing about welding him to the table is when I got suspended for that one (I wasn't alone), we got suspended WITH pay

And before you go sending me to hell for my cruelty, you should know the reason he got welded to the table is because as we were welding, he thought it was funny to stand opposite of us and spray spary paint in our face. Of course we had helmets on but a ball of flames would hit you in the face and scare the shit out of you....which was a good one, I must admit...but when it gets old, it's time to quit...and he didn't.