My DVDs fail on 1/2 settops but plays on all PC DVD drives

[seaking]

I film on MiniDV, import the raw DV file to HDD, edit with Premiere 6.5 and then copy the edited version to another MiniDV tape. That becomes my Master Copy for that production work.

My normal work flow has been to then to run MySonic DVD v4, import the video and make a 'no menu dvd', can't remember what it's called but ends up so that the DVD disk auto plays when put in the player since it has just the one video on it..

however, now comes the perplexing problem that half of the DVDs I burn will not play past 85% on most newer set top players but they will play 100% perfect on my much older Sanyo set top.. either -R or +R. They will play 100% on the PC DVD drive.

Right now I discovered that if I used Memorex 4X -R they will not play at all on set tops. If I use the +R Memorex 4X they will play on mine but not everyone elses..

I changed media to Maxell and they will play -+R on mine but pooch at about 85% on a newer machine.. but play well on the PC.

I use two computers. The principle video editing machine has a pioneer A05 -R burner in it and this is where I do the brunt of my work. When I master my DVD, it's on this machine, and then I make a file image with Alcohol120 on the other machine so that when I need to make another copy, I simply burn from the image.. much quick on the MSI dual format 8X+R burner.. once I know the image will burn properly to a + or - R DVD media, tested against my old Sanyo set top, I consider the job done and that's it.

Unfortunately now I am discovering that the process doesn't give me 100% reliability for all players.

I am at a loss as to what the problem is..

Is it the media.. Memorex -R is useless, whilst Maxelle +or- is ok
Is it the Pioneer A05 burner?
Is it SonicMyDVD not up to the task?
what is it?

Any ideas?

[flaninacupboard]

not all dvd players will play written discs. that's just an unavoidable fact. media quality is the most likely issue here. Taiyo Yuden is basically regarded as the best, with Ritek G04 discs coming in second.

I regularly make "no menu" dvd's with TMPGenc DVD author, or TDA. there's a free trial available, so give that a go to eliminate the authoring question.

Probably not the burner, my pioneer 104 has burned hundreds of discs over the last two years, and still going strong.

[seaking]

Thanks for the info..

I;ll give the TMPGenc DVD author a try to see if it makes a diff..

Would it be an accurate statement to say that if TMPGenc DVD author authors the perfect dvd for me, that I can write an image from the DVD and reburn it all the time after that and those will also be 100% perfect or could the image burning process also have an effect? Does the burning SPEED have any issues here? I burn my Master DVD at 1X but the retail ones at 4X for the -R and 8X for the +R..


Cheers,

Happy Canada Day (1 July 04)

[flaninacupboard]

burn speeds are totally dependent on your burner and your media. i have a - only 2x drive, so someone else would have to answer that one!
However, i would create your image file on the computer rather than ripping the burned disc, MagicIso will do this for you

[seaking]

However, i would create your image file on the computer rather than ripping the burned disc, MagicIso will do this for you

I normaly use Alcohol120% for this task, does it nicely for me... To make sure I understand the terminology correctly, by making an image I am refering to using the prog to create a single large file to the computer from which I burn my production video DVD's from.. whilst ripping means to copy DVD to DVD?

I'll have a look for this MagicISO.

Again, many thanks M8

I have to finish editing this video today and gives these a go and see if it works any better than my current production run.[/code]

[FulciLives]

Maxell DVD-R media is very high quality.

So the problem is either the DVD Authoring program you are using or the method you are using for burning.

I have had great results (i.e., good compatiblility amoung different model/makes of DVD players) using TMPGEnc DVD Author.

I use TMPGEnc DVD Author to create an ISO IMAGE file then I burn with DVD Decrypter.

Since the Maxell DVD-R discs are rated at 4x that is what I burn at.

If you use another DVD Authoring program other than TMPGEnc DVD Author then try creating your project (VIDEO TS folder of DVD files) and create an ISO IMAGE file with ImgToos classic then burn with DVD Decrypter.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[seaking]

Many thanks again.. I've downloaded the TMPGEnc DVD Author prog and will give it a try when I've finished the edit work.. and also see how this DVD Decrypter prog works as well..

Many thanks, much appreciated!

Later, if I ever need to add submenues (bloopers/interviews) would these two progs also be of benifit or would I be looking at something else entirely?

Cheers

[flaninacupboard]

yeah, TDA handles multple titles, complete with custom menus and buttons etc.

[seaking]

well what a mess.. coasters galore.. GAH

I finished editing my video with Premier 6.5 and mastered it to MiniDV again.. so it's done and finished.

I copied that DV to HDD as AVI with Premier 6.5 and used Premier to make me a .m2v file.

I ran TMPGEnc DVD Author and loaded the AVI but errored since it wasn't DVD compliant file and then loaded the .m2v file that Premier created.. and then burned the DVD.. I mean coaster. GAH.

The harder I try to worse this all becomes..

Is there a simplified work flow chart somewhere?

Here's what I need to do:

I have my finished product on MiniDV
I need to burn it to DVD
I need to make an Image file to hold on the computer
and then burn multiple copies from that image file..

The manual's terminology is confusing me I guess..

Anyone got time to help this poor lad out?

Cheers

[FulciLives]

Are you sure you are encoding the DV AVI to MPEG-2 DVD spec correctly?

Also when you authored it using TMPGEnc DVD Author how did you burn it? Did you use DVD Decrypter or the burning application built-in TMPGEnc DVD Author or another burning method?

Do your DVD files (the VIDEO_TS folder) play back correctly using PowerDVD or WinDVD etc.?

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[seaking]

Are you sure you are encoding the DV AVI to MPEG-2 DVD spec correctly?

Also when you authored it using TMPGEnc DVD Author how did you burn it? Did you use DVD Decrypter or the burning application built-in TMPGEnc DVD Author or another burning method?

Do your DVD files (the VIDEO_TS folder) play back correctly using PowerDVD or WinDVD etc.?

Ok a lot of what you've said sailed past me. I'm probably trying to learn 6 months worth of knowledge in as few hours as possible so I can get to the important work but this isn't going to work.. I evidently need to RTFM and figure this out.

I do not know if I am encoding properly since I am using premier's default settings.

Very frustrating.

Thanks for the assist.. I'll do a pile of reading and see if I can understand the directions.. not easy to grasp. Is there a tutorial on how to do this?

TMPGEnc DVD Author doesn't appear to be able to grab the video from MiniDV and encode it to something usefull, so what ever I present to the prog needs to be compliant but I can't seem to give it what it needs..

[lordsmurf]

www.nomorecoasters.com

[FulciLives]

TMPGEnc DVD Author doesn't appear to be able to grab the video from MiniDV and encode it to something usefull, so what ever I present to the prog needs to be compliant but I can't seem to give it what it needs..

TMPGEnc DVD Author does no MPEG encoding. There is another program called TMPGEnc Plus that does MPEG encoding but if you use Premiere then you are using the MainConcept MPEG encoder plug-in which should work fine.

You need to feed TMPGEnc DVD Author already compliant MPEG video files and either PCM WAV or AC-3 audio files ... MP2 should be avoided.

If you don't understand any of the things I said in this thread then there isn't much I can do other than to tell you, as you already surmised, to read some more and experiment some more.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[seaking]

If you don't understand any of the things I said in this thread then there isn't much I can do other than to tell you, as you already surmised, to read some more and experiment some more.

Thanks John, I definetly need more reading on this. I just finished authoring and burning the video with Cyberlink's Director and ended up with a playable DVD but I pooched my menu (wrong titles).. close.. darn close lol.. but it plays in the set top and the PC so I'm half way there..

I do thank you for the assist, it does point me in the right direction.. first of which is to ditch these memorex POS DVD disks and pick up the Maxells again.. I suspect the Memorex are giving me some probs.

Cheers

[burgman]

I have the same DVD burner and Pioneer does have a new firmware update that is required for the new 4X DVD media. If you do not update the drive you will have the problems you are having now.

I use all of the same media you have used and Ican my DVD's on 10 different DVD table top players with no problem.

[seaking]

I have the same DVD burner and Pioneer does have a new firmware update that is required for the new 4X DVD media. If you do not update the drive you will have the problems you are having now.

I use all of the same media you have used and Ican my DVD's on 10 different DVD table top players with no problem.

That was covered a long time ago, I have the latest update that covers that issue..

It's more of the brand name and the encoding issue again..

I'm home now and currently attempting my 2nd Power Director 3 demo encoding/authoring and burn this afternoon.. will do it to RW media this time..

Thanks for the thought though!