Hauppage WIN TV go problem

[RGuin]

Can anyone help? I've been using this card for over 2 years in my HP pavilion, and had good results making VCD's from VHS & VHS-C tapes.(Virtualdub & TMPGenc)
I wanted to move to DVD, and after a system crash I bought a new PC.
AS Rock Mobo with Athlon 2800XP, ATI RADEON 9200 SE, TFT monitor & Win 2K.
TV and video reception has degraded drastically with diagonal blue lines shimmering over the screen. Hauppage help desk have suggested various updated drivers, but although the pattern can change, there is no real solution.
Looking through the forum, the capture card area seems to be a minefiled.
Would I be better using a VIVO version of the RADEON? I see others have issues with AMD and Hauppage cards.
Rob G

[SatStorm]

I have apsolutely no issues using any Hauppauge card and AMD (except the PVR models, with earlier drivers).

This you have there, is noise from PC. Ground it (those diagonal lines on the blue screen means grounding issues - maybe the VCR, maybe the poweramplifier of your PC, you never know: So ground anything just to be OK)
Also try to use better cables between your VCR / Card

Finally, I suggest you the btwincap drivers for your win tv go card. That way, you can capture up to 768 x 576 (720 x 480) with this card, with excellent picture results.
For realtime mpeg 2 capture, I suggest you mainconcept 1.4.2 built in capture fuction. I've manage to make it capture 768 x 576 and encode realtime to mpeg 2 at 352 x 576 without any kind issues, on a Duron 1200, so imagine what you can do with your system

PS: You have a TFT screen: Those manage to make any analogue source look bad without applying in the viewing some kind of deinterlacing.
Try dscaler a bit. If you manage to make the picture look good with the dscaler, then you probably have a set up problem with your new PC. Dscaler use internal routines to succeed results, so when you see good results with this program and not with the rest, it is definatelly a internal set up of your PC that cost all this

[RGuin]

Thank you, Satstorm.

I've had a suggestion it could be a "dirty" power supply on the PC.
Not too sure how to go about grounding things, but I'll try.

Rob G

[RGuin]

Hi again,

I've tried a CRT monitor - the lines are still there.
Also rearranged the cards in the PC - hauppage in slot 1.
Again still have the lines, but the picture sharpness seems slightly improved.

Seems safe to say it's not a Hauppage problem.

How can I go about grounding things?
Should I be looking at another power supply or case?

Tried to run Dscaler - got an error message and didn't run.
Will try again tonight, and make note of message.

[jmr2004]

Wanna hear something funny?

After a couple of weeks of research here on this forum, I bought one of these cards yesterday...the Wintv PCI.....to use with the btwincap driver.
Finally, I made a choice after exhausting research from "vivo and 1.08" to "ATI" to "Wincap and 878A"....

I make the purchase, come back to check on a post of mine....and see
"Wintv problem", first thing.

[SatStorm]

Yeah, is the theory of chaos, don't you know about it?

I know users never had a simply problem with the ATI cards and others have to deal with every possible issue!

But in this case, it is not a card's fault: Something else happens in the supplier, the grounding or the cables. Too much noise in that PC.

I also had once a problem with those lines. They disapear with my nvidia card same way they first appear. Nothing from me, it simply happend...

[RGuin]

Hi There,

Chaos theory??

Well I'm pretty sure this is not the Win TV card's problem.

I really don't know what I can do about grounding.

Should I be buying a better - shielded - power supply?

[jameshgross]

I really feel for your situation. To purchase a new computer and then find that some previous component does not work right is hard to take.

I think that you may have a marginal power supply. Check the Label on the power supply and see what the WATT rating is. If it less then 250W repace it with a 400W or larger. You would be surprised just how much power a system can use. The "NOISE" that you are seeing is probably caused by an over driven switcher and poor filtering in the PS. PS are easy to replace.

There is nothing wrong with the card.

[RGuin]

James,

Thanks for the empathy.

PSU is 350 Watt.

[RGuin]

My mistake...

PS is 300Watt Encer. I guess it's in the marginal range!

[RGuin]

Hi Guys,

So I got a new PSU. Qtec gold 550w dual fan.

I still have the lines on my TV/video.

CPU runs a little cooler though!

These lines appear a few seconds after opening the TV window, gradually getting bigger and slower, moving up the screen. Eventually they stop, and then start moving downwards, faster and smalller, until they dissapear, then reappear a few seconds later, and repeat the process.
Freesing the frame to take a capture (attached herwith) makes it look worse.

Rob G
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[RGuin]

Don't know where the attached frame went.

My line did drop out while typing though!

Rob G

[cd090580]

I have a similar problem (probably due to a bad PSU or grounding problem) with the same card (WinTV Go) + Win 2000 and the VFW drivers (the wdm won't work with virtualdub or they cause a lot of dropped frames)





Do you have the same kind of interferences ??

The only solution a found is to use a temporal soften filer to reduce those lines but it multiplies the encoding time by 3

[RGuin]

Hi there,

I certainly do!
[img]https://www.videohelp.com/forum/images/guides/p957675/Ch3.jpg[img]https://www.videohelp.com/forum/images/guides/p957675/

I've gone round in circles installing uninstalling reinstalling etc.
both card and drivers.
The pattern seems to reduce in certain configurations.

There was none of this in my old PC/Win98.

I'm wondering about a graphics card with Video in.

[RGuin]

Also tried the btwincap drivers as advised here.
It won't run- says unable to create TV window driver in use by other process - even after reboot.

How do I get an image into a message? Am I being dense?
If I clickon the URL in the previous message I see the image!!
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/images/guides/p957675/Ch3.jpg

[jameshgross]

You have now entered the Twilight Zone of problem solving.

From the pictures it looks like a ground loop i.e. signal feedback through the ground system.

Try this, go to the store and get a three wire plug tester. Test the outlets that you use to power you system. If you are using a surge protector/power strip test each outlet. Fix the problems as indicated.

Some motherboards are more sensitive then others.

Carefully check the PVR board for broken caps or loose wires. Make sure that the mounting plate is tight to the board and screwed tight to the computer.

[fmctm1sw]

I have problems like this every once in a while. I posted pictures a while back. I can't search right now, I'm on a dial-up.....

[RGuin]

I tried the PC vendor's support line, and he says the diagonal lines indicate the antenna input signal is too strong. This surprises me a little.
He also says my new more powerful PC will generate more EM interference than my old one.

I've got round the problem by changing to a graphics card with VIVO.
(see topic RADEON VIVO) and viewing via a VCR.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

[junkmalle]

Try changing the "Spread Spectrum" setting in your PC's BIOS. That might help.