How do i add subtitles to An svcd or a vcd?

[ExAlpha]

I've found countless ways to add to an avi, but none to svcd or a vcd!
if you know any guides, please post links!
or at least say how to do so and with what programs to use here.

[mats.hogberg]

For SVCD, it can be added as a separate stream, selectable like DVD subs, but not many players support this feature, so you're better off making them permanent, which includes reencoding, which again includes a drop in quality. For VCD, this is the only option. To reencode, load the SVCD/VCD mpg in the mpeg enabled version of VirtualDub, add the subs using apropriate filter, frame serve to encoder and encode.

/Mats

[ExAlpha]

ok, but how do i frame serve? i use VirtualDubMpg, that accepts mpg files, but when i click Frame Serving it says "Avi files only" and does nothing...
Edit:
btw, i don't really get frameserving, i read it's defenition and it's weird... in guides, they tell me to get ALLLLL these programs..
wouldn't it be easier to convert to AVI somehow, and add subs there? there're alot of guides on adding subs to avi's

Basiclly, what i don't get in ur post is how to "frame serve to encoder".
Tell me that and i'm fixed.

[mats.hogberg]

Actually never used VirtualDub for anything besides AVIs, but as servinng frames is the same regardless of source...
Well, you could load the mpg, add the subs (as for an AVI - source shouldn't matter) save out as uncompressed AVI (Huge!) then load AVI and frame serve to encoder. Or do it with AVISynth. Works like VirtualDub sans the GUI (about).

/Mats

[deadpac]

For VCD, this is the only option.

Somewhat incorrect, it is possible to mux closed captions/teletext into an mpeg stream and have them selectable during the playback process. Only problem with this is the lack of tools and the knowledge to do this on the end user level. The one guy around here who was trying to figure it out didn't feel like blowing around $400 for the official VCD documentation from Philips? and then having to only end up not being able to use any info from the documentation because they make you sign a NDA before purchasing a copy of the specs.

OH well there's always DVD subs

[mats.hogberg]

So you say selectable subs are part of the VCD specs? That's a first! Well, whatever, I doubt there's much player support for them, considering the near non existing support for SVCD subs...

/Mats

[deadpac]

So you say selectable subs are part of the VCD specs? That's a first! Well, whatever

I didn't say selectable subs, I said selectable Closed Captions for NTSC world and Teletext for the PAL world.

And again in this case it's not a question of wether the DVD player supports the CC/T stream but wether or not the display (i.e. the TV set) supports turning on and off of CC/Teletext. And unless your TV is 20yrs or OLDER then there's a good chance your tv will support the display of either CC or Teletext stream contained in a VCD. The major problem to this is that no one outside of the industry has reproduced this on the end user level; and seeing where we are now there's almost no point to it at this time unless maybe you live in China or something. The Terapin stanalone VCD recorder supposedly will record the CC/T stream to your VCD on the fly. The guy mentioned something about maybe the stream being contained in the user_data section of an mpg file but that was just his theory.

I mean really how do you think the billions of Chinese people got along before DVD subs came along; they aren't all perm subbed. Most of them are but some of them do occasionally turn up with CC. I remember seeing one when a friend used to rent VCDs from a shop in a local chinatown.

Crying shame with SVCD and CVD subs, still got a few VHS->SVCD/CVD that I did with selectable subs and to date still have not found a way to deumx the subs. I knew those srt's would've have come in handy somewhere down the line.

[ExAlpha]

well, i've decided to convert with tmpgenc 3.0 to AVI, then add subs, then convert to svcd again which will probably make me lose some quality but meh... tough life..