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  1. I want to burn two .avi files, ca 340 MB each, at one VCD. I want to burn them on a CD-R with space for 700 MB. I tried to use Nero Burner at first, but when Nero converts the files they doesn't fit in. Nero says that my files takes up ca 170 % of the CD. This is the first time i've tried to burn a VCD, and i wonder if the files gets very much bigger when Nero converts them than their original size. I've also tried to convert the files with TMPGEnc..but the files still gets very big.
    My question is: Is there any way i can fit in those two files into one 700 MB CD-R? Maybe there is a way to compress the files, but still being able to watch them as an ordinary VCD?
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    If the combined length of both avi's exceeds 80 minutes the answer is no. That's how much a standard VCD can hold. There are other non-standard encoding schemes you can use but quality isn't terrific, plus non-standard discs don't always work well in DVD players.
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  3. Originally Posted by MissSeptember
    I want to burn two .avi files, ca 340 MB each, at one VCD. I want to burn them on a CD-R with space for 700 MB. I tried to use Nero Burner at first, but when Nero converts the files they doesn't fit in. Nero says that my files takes up ca 170 % of the CD. This is the first time i've tried to burn a VCD, and i wonder if the files gets very much bigger when Nero converts them than their original size. I've also tried to convert the files with TMPGEnc..but the files still gets very big.
    My question is: Is there any way i can fit in those two files into one 700 MB CD-R? Maybe there is a way to compress the files, but still being able to watch them as an ordinary VCD?
    Get some 99 min CDRs. Use VBR and create an XVCD. Lower the audio bitrate to save more space.


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  4. Ok, thank you for the quick answer! :P The length of the files is about 90 minutes, so i guess that's the problem.
    I don't care very much about the quality, can you please tell me a little bit more about the other non-standard encoding schemes?
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  5. Originally Posted by MissSeptember
    Ok, thank you for the quick answer! :P The length of the files is about 90 minutes, so i guess that's the problem.
    I don't care very much about the quality, can you please tell me a little bit more about the other non-standard encoding schemes?
    VCD has a constant bit rate of 1150kbps. This bit rate is used to create the pictures that end up on your screen, constant bit rate (CBR) uses the same anmount of bits reguardless of how much it actually needs. Variable bit rate (VBR) uses bits dependant of how many it needs to create the picture on your TV. This means that where a CBR VCD uses 1150 a VBR VCD may only use, say, 850 for some scenes and a higher amount say 1200 for other scenes which require more bits to produce a decent picture.

    I am massively over simplifying but to sum up - if you use the right settings you can get a 1 and 1/2 hr movie on a CDR. I've done a few that look ok on an 80min CDR.

    I think Sefy has some TMPGenc templates for this sort of thing.


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    jimmalenko has a pretty good guide for this kind of conversion. You can check it out here, or you can get Sefy's template for TMPGEnc here. Both should work fine.
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  7. Thank you very much! I'm encoding the files right now, hope it will work fine!
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  8. What an honour having MissSeptember on our forums
    Since you mentioned your movie's total length is 90min, I would strongly recommand you try getting a 90min media and using the regular VCD, so it will give you highest compatibility.
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  9. As they are already two separate files, I would encode to SVCD and burn one each per disk. That gives you very reasonable quality at ~45 minutes per disk.
    If you insist on getting both files onto one CDR and having it play on most standalones, you are going to need a non-standard bitrate. Check out www.kvcd.org for one way of doing it. Another is to simply encode to SVCD at a very low bitrate ~975kbps.
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  10. @reboot, I don't think encoding SVCD at that low bitrate is such a good idea, it will be both incompatible with most players, not to mention the quality will be hurrible even compared to VCD, cause the resolution won't have enough bitrate to handle it well.

    Using a 90min CDR media and a VCD Template will provide best quality and compatibility and it will be a perfect fit on a single CDR.
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  11. 90 minutes is close to the limit for 99min cd's, many players will not play them to the end. My Pioneer will stop at 92 minutes, the same goes for all "older" pioneers. Miss September (centerfold?), look up your dvd player in the list, maybe someone tested it with 99min CD's, there is a big chance limitations will apply.
    Non-standard VCDs are also not supported by all players, many will play it but some with premature ending. My player got that problem, so even 84 minute movies i had to split to 2x80min CDs (never bought a 99 minute CD yet )
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  12. @thor300, i've got an ancient Pioneer DV525 and it plays 90min CDR's :P
    Since our delightful Miss September mentioned both files take about 90min then I think her best and most compatible option is VCD Standard. Since both SVCD and XVCD are not guarnteed to work on all DVD's
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  13. No matter how you slice it, there's the possiblity of a problem.
    Either 99 min CDR that won't play to the end, non-standard SVCD with lousy bitrate, etc.
    I'm still questioning the "1 CDR" idea. Is there something wrong with putting it on two?
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    Originally Posted by reboot
    I'm still questioning the "1 CDR" idea. Is there something wrong with putting it on two?
    And waste another 10 cents? Are you insane? :P
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  15. I guess Sefy is right, or at least there is a BIG chance a 90min CD will work. I never tried it myself, but seen some stating 92min limit with the player i have (DV444) and other older pioneers. But better to check to be sure, "learn from other peoples mistakes", i forgot who use that one as signature, but its still very true.
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    That would be andyp1.
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  17. @reboot, why do you keep refering to 99min CDR's ?
    She's got a 90min (about!) movie, and that would be a perfect fit for a 90min CDR and that IS compatible with most burner and most DVD Players.

    Why not use two media ? cause that would result in two things in most cases:
    1 - Using SVCD
    2 - Using Non-Standard VCD/SVCD variant

    Result of both is less compatibility AND the need to change discs! :P
    Since not ALL players can handle Non-Standard and even less can do SVCD!
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  18. Hi! And thank you for your help! I would prefer to get the files into one CD-R since i'm going to burn about 30 episodes of some series..and 15 Cd's is much better than 30 Cd's I hope i will find a DVD-player that's able to play this VCD's.

    I've tried to convert the files all day with TMPGEnc and the VBR-setting and finally it works, with pretty good quality. BUT, now there's no sound. I have the sound as a .wav file. Does anyone of you know what the problem may be?

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  19. Sefy: Maybe where you are, the players can't handle non-standard or SVCD, but every player I've seen in the past 3 months here, can do SVCD/VCD/CDR/CDRW/DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD+R/DVD+RW/everyotherfuckingthingincludingdivx, however, NONE of them specify CDR over 80 minutes...
    So waste another 10 cents, get off your lazy ass and change disks in the middle, and let's get on with it!

    Miss Sept.: There's a tick box in tmpgenc, that allows you to have it create separate audio and video files. Did you check that?

    I stand justifyably berated. 30 episodes is a lot to work with. Personally, I would burn about 5 each to dvdr, but I understand that isn't an option.
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  20. Looks like you lose reboot, she wants it on a SINGLE disc :P
    PS: I've seen lots of those who claim they can do SVCD and all the blah blah and when it comes to real life they barely manage to play it correctly
    PS2 (Not Sony!): Even the most defective Player handles 90min CDR's 8)

    Anyway! dear MissSeptember
    Since your files are "AVI" as source, i'm guessing the "Audio" is MP3 in them, I am guessing that is the cause of your problems with no Audio. I Suggest you try following this http://sefy.iwarp.com/guides/gspot.html to find out the type of Audio you got in the AVI files.

    And see if you can follow this guide here: http://sefy.iwarp.com/guides/divx2vcd.html
    You can skip the encoding and authoring and all the rest of the stuff, the most important part is extracting the Audio and encoding using your AVI as Video Source and an UNCOMPRESSED WAV as Audio Source. Which to my guess, is the cause of your movie not having Audio at the moment.
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  21. Lol. Thanx tegee, ofcourse its andyp. I feel stupid now, and with good reason.
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    Originally Posted by thor300
    Lol. Thanx tegee, ofcourse its andyp. I feel stupid now, and with good reason.
    You're too hard on yourself. I have a difficult time remembering shit my family says.

    Hmmm. The fact that I remembered Andy's quote says a lot about my priorities, doesn't it?
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  23. teegee. Wow, you are even more addicted to videohelp.com than i am!
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