How to speed up complete back-up process?

[mkx-r]

Hi all,

I'm using dvd shrink 317 and works great, but the process of backing up the whole movie just takes forever. Usually just under 4 hours. Given that I do use 1x recording speed, as I don't want too many problems playing the backup in my dvd player. I also use the 'deep analysis' features which in itself adds about 1hour20min.
What kind of times are you getting (with what features) and what would be the best configuration for speedy making of full backups? Any other ideas how to speed the process up?
I'm running a couple WD 8mb cache drives, a 16x reader and 2x burner, (although burning at 1x).

[DVDDave]

i am running a P4, 3.2mhz, 1 gig of DDRT400 ram, 160 seagate SATA HD, lite on 811s 8X dvd burner, and i can back up a full DVD-9 in under 30 minutes.

[northcat_8]

Usually just under 4 hours

HOLY COW....that's forever. 1.5 hours MAX Usually 60 minutes, even with deep analysis.

You didn't give your computer specs, such as CPU, RAM, etc.

I think your speed issues are with your equipment rather than with DVDshrink. Heck it only takes 1.5 hours with Instant Copy 7 and shrink is much faster than IC7.

You can read my computer specs by clicking the "computer details" button above this post and compare your system. My system is by no means cutting edge speedwise.

[johns0]

My system takes about 45 minutes to do a deep analysis,rip and burn,if your computer is a newer p4 or xp athlon then something is wrong.

[fangstar]

I also use shrink and Nero and i used to have those same problems.

I was using a P3 Toshiba Laptop 600Hz and 256 Ram connected USB 1.1 to an external burner. The process used to take 4 hours per movie.

Now i have a P4 2.5Ghz 755Ram connected firewire to my 4x speed burner with a 16x speed DVD-Rom and the results are phenomenal.

DVD Shrink - Full Copy - 30 minutes
DVD Shrink - Re-Author - 5-15 minutes

Then i burn at either 2x (30 minutes) or 4x (15 minutes).

In conclusion:

It can be your machine, maybe an upgrade is in order.

Also make sure your transfer modes are set to DMA not PIO. It makes a huge difference.

[mkx-r]

well, I poked around a little in the drivers section, preferences and could find anything that would make a dignificant difference. Still takes about same time.
I'm using a P4 2GHz on Asus mobo, 512mb, 16x toshiba sdm1612 reader, and toshiba sdr5002 burner. and 2 WD 8mb cache HDs. The recording itself takes about the right time, at 1x, but it's the darn analysis and encoding that take nearly 1.5 hours each. .

Actually, as I'm typing this, i'm trying to figure out what's going on, and after running few tests, it seems that the read speed of the cd-rom reaches about 1.7x or 2.1mb/sec. I guess this would be the problem, any ideas how to solve that? Toshiba doesn't offer drivers for this cd-rom drive, and windows drivers don't really show too many details.

[fangstar]

Get a LiteOn dvd-rom 16x.

I have one and it's lightning speed.

[fritzi93]

It can be your machine, maybe an upgrade is in order.

Also make sure your transfer modes are set to DMA not PIO. It makes a huge difference.

Possibly, or it could be your software environment. This probably doesn't apply to you, but it just might.

First time I tried deep analysis it took 4 plus hours. What was it, version 3.0.5 beta? Thing is, at the time I was obstinately trying to make Studio 8 work on my machine and failing miserably. (Yeah, coulda partly been operator error, but I think it's buggy nevertheless). My computer got so squirrely that several times system restore was necessary. On top of that, when I finally gave up on Studio, my HDs were fragmented like I'd never seen.

Next time I tried that version of DVDShrink, I reinstalled it after my system had been stable for a few weeks, all maintenance up to snuff. And HEY! PRESTO! No problem.

Probably doesn't pertain, but it should be an object lesson in how not to do things.

[rikk]

Toshiba driver: http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=191

[jimmalenko]

ANother thing to try is to rip to your hard drive using dvd decrypter or smartripper before using DVDShrink. See if the analysis and encoding times drop then. Most likely it'll take you about 40mins to rip, but a lot quicker to analyse and encode. If so you might want to look at a LiteOn DVD ROM.

[richdvd]

Get a LiteOn dvd-rom 16x.

I have one and it's lightning speed

I agree, mine is very quick too.

[IpicmaNose]

sounds like you are trying to do it everything off the dvd, not ripping it first to the hd. ripping with a fast dvd rom drive takes 15 min and will greatly reduce deep analysis time, unless there is no compression needed then i just transcode my older movies straight to hd from disc.

[northcat_8]

mkx-r -

Check in your device manager and see if your DVD drive has DMA enabled.

Control Panel > System > hardware tab > Device Manager button

Should say something like "IDE ATA/ATAPI", you should have Primary and secondary channels. Your DVD-ROM drives are usually on the secondary channel. Double click it and go to the "advanced settings" tab.

Device 0 is the master on that channel, Device 1 is the slave. Make sure that it says DMA enabled, rather than PIO mode.

Your system is plenty fast enough, you have some settings set wrong.

[Jayhawk]

I agree with northcat_8 and several others. Your equipment seems to be fine so any one of the suggestions offered should improve your speeds. Here are my suggestions:

If you can't find an firmware upgrade for your reader, the Liteon 16X at around $35 or less is a great buy. Should cut your rip time in half or better. The drivers don't really make any difference, it's the firmware.

Rip to the hard drive if you are going to use deep analysis. Specifically, you should rip to one hard drive and use the other as your output from Shrink. DMA enabled is a must.

Hopefully your hard drives are on different channels. It won't make the kind of difference you're looking for but it eliminates the channel contention.

Defrag occasionally. I also think the NTFS file system stays cleaner and runs faster but once again probably a small difference only.

If you keep a lot of programs loaded you might want to check your virtual memory allocation. You should manually make it a fixed size where the minimum and maximum settings are the same. If you don't, Windows will keep dynamically adjusting the size. Two to 2.5 physical memory size is a good rule. You should turn the swap file off (no swap file), reboot, run defrag, set the new swap file, reboot. That way you ensure the swap file is contiguous.

Make sure you don't have any CPU heat problems by running a program like AIDA32 (free). Most modern BIOS slow down the CPU if heat gets above a preset amount (user controllable in the BIOS usually).

As little activity as possible while the encoding (Shrink) is going on can help a little.

Let us know how it all works out.

[rmaestrali]

Got almost the same issue with my LG 4081. I use Nero Recode to copy DVD to DVD-R and the process takes almost 1h 30 min. The burn process takes almost 15 min in 2x speed.
The whole situation is that Nero is taking too long to copy the DVD to the HD. My PC is a Athlon 750, 512 MB, Maxtor 120GB 7200, one DVD LG 8120 and LG 4081.
The final DVDR works fine no coaster till now
Only have problems with the Princo media, my home theather player doesnt recognize it (Gradiente HTS200D)
I will try to use the DVDShrink next time and burn it with Nero

[rmaestrali]

Done with DVDShrink and Nero. Still have the same problem
With DVDShrink => 1 hour and 13 minutes
With Nero => 1 hour and 17 minutes

What AmI doing wrong ?? Need help please

[wings]

IntervideoDVD. That's it. 30 to 50 min for a complete back up.

[Hardcoreruss]

Takes about 25mins using Dvd Shrink.

[ROXXAN]

HI GUYS
WELL AFTER SEE ALL YOU REPLY
I HAVE ONE THING FOR YOU

USE ANYDVD SOFTWARE IT KILL THE CSS CODE. MACROVISION AND ALL OTHER THING'S
WHEN YOU USE DVDSHRINK IT CUT THE TIME IN HALF AND ALL YOUR DVD
ARE REGION FREE WITH OUT ANY CODE AT ALL
SO THE PROCESS IS WITH OUT DECRYPTION
WITH THIS PROGRAM YOU CAN USE ONLY DVDSHRINK WITH OUT USING DVDDECRYPTER

USE IT AND SEE HOW IT CUT YOUR TIME AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL YOUR DVD ON DVDSHRINK LOOK AS NOT ENCRYPTED

[northcat_8]

Yea, hey ROXXAN...I see you are a new member...welcome.

Now turn off the caps and bold print.

ALSO

I'm using dvd shrink 317 and works great, but the process of backing up the whole movie just takes forever. Usually just under 4 hours.

AND YOU SAID

USE ANYDVD SOFTWARE IT KILL THE CSS CODE. MACROVISION AND ALL OTHER THING'S
WHEN YOU USE DVDSHRINK IT CUT THE TIME IN HALF AND ALL YOUR DVD
ARE REGION FREE WITH OUT ANY CODE AT ALL
SO THE PROCESS IS WITH OUT DECRYPTION
WITH THIS PROGRAM YOU CAN USE ONLY DVDSHRINK WITH OUT USING DVDDECRYPTER

USE IT AND SEE HOW IT CUT YOUR TIME AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL YOUR DVD ON DVDSHRINK LOOK AS NOT ENCRYPTED

He's already using DVDshrink....so while you are on this forum...you might want to learn to read as well.

We are not debating the software, we are talking system settings. We all already know that shrink is fast. Also sometimes you will still need to use DVD Decrypter to rip a DVD. I use it because I want to and I may want to just rip the DVD and encode it later.

[Tom Lewandowski]

My Soyo PIII - 1 GHz (256 MB SDRAM) with the Sony 510A DVD takes about 25-30 minutes to copy a DVD (using DVD Shrink) without compression. If I want Shrink to perform a deep analysis, it then takes about two hours. Nero burns at 2x in 26 minutes, and half that at 4x...though I almost always burn at 2x. I'm running Win98 FIRST EDITION and will often not load all my drivers if I'm planning on doing a lot of copying, especially if deep analysis might be used. I notice some speed increase by disabling scanner, sound card, printer, and other drivers I use for digital music, upon boot up. (Free's up memory and resources.)

I noticed HUGE slowdowns when I recently ran everything under Win98 SE, which is why I re-installed Win98 first edition. The same was true with video capturing under Win98SE -- poorer performance. Never ran Me, 2000, or XP, but I'm sure they would slow down my system even more.

[ROXXAN]

hi there - northcat_8
i see that you are pist off so ... come down

please look again on what i say and you will see that you wrong about what i trying to give the guys to cut down the process time with
dvdshrink
normal time for dvdshrink to encoded dvd movie is about 30 to 45 min
so when you use anydvd and dvdshrink together you can cut the time almost to half
that is fact
well it cost 40$ but it will cut your time in making dvd


well i am new in the forum but not new in making dvdbackup

[northcat_8]

i see that you are pist off so ... come down

I'm not pissed.
Please read: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=208797 if you don't believe me.

The situation in this thread is that he is using a P4 2 Ghz machine and it is taking him 4 hours with DVDshrink alone. That is far too much time.

Using ANYDVD may cut the process time down...I don't know, I don't use ANYDVD...point being that it is still taking him 4 hours just in DVDshrink and it shouldn't with that kind of system.

Like you said yourself:

normal time for dvdshrink to encoded dvd movie is about 30 to 45 min

And it is taking him 4 hours...we are trying to figure out why.

That is not a software issue. It may be a software enviroment, but most likely he has some settings set wrong with some hardware...4 hours is far too long. Heck, I could do 3 movies with Instant Copy 7...the slowest of them all in 4 hours.


mkx-r -

Hopefully you are ripping the DVD first and not trying to take it directly off the DVD. If you are ripping...and the problem still exists...
How are your HDs? What format? NTFS, FAT32...and how fragmented are they?
If you have enabled DMA and your read speed has not improved...you did not list your video card...are your video drivers and direct X up to date?
Running out of things that could be wrong with it....

[Jayhawk]

rmaestrali, have you looked at all the suggestions from northcat_8 and Jayhawk (me). The issue is NOT Shrink versus some other program. We all use Decrypter and Shrink (or at least have tried them) and we all get times less than yours.

It's hardware or configuration related.