PAL to NTSC with CCE - strange problem

[dfgh11]

Hello,

DVD2avi tells me, I have a PAL source, interlaced. When I convert it the NTSC 23.976fps using avs and CCE it should come out as 2h:01m:10s, but it doesn't. Infact, it comes out as 1h:34m:34s. All the movie is there, and it does seem to be playing back at a normal rate. Thinking that maybe, it's a problem with one of my media players, I imported it into my authorer. It still gave 1h:34m:34s. I just don't understand it? I have adjust many things including my avisynth script, but it still doesn't want to play by the rules. I tried encoding with tmpgenc instead, with the same script and that came out fine. I also reinstalled CCE; no affect. The result has left me, with little or no choice other than reinstalling windows. Before I do that, I want to make sure that will work and hearing other peoples thoughts on the matter, will help discover that.

[pijetro]

Load the .AVS into Vdub, and tell us the time??

Why don't you give us the script example??

[dfgh11]

This is the script I am using, which I also used in tmpgenc, which resulted in a file, with the correct time. Also in vdub the time is displayed correctly

LoadPlugin("C:\dll\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("pathwhatever")
LanczosResize(720,480)
AssumeFPS(23.976,true)
ConvertToYUY2()

[pijetro]

Your deinterlacing, and timestamp, are two different issues. I find with DVD2AVI, everything is interlaced. I therefore separate the fields, and drop it into Vdub to see what kind of pattern i get...

mpeg2source("I:\zvonar\video_ts\Zvonar.d2v")
assumefps(23.976,true)
separatefields()
lanczosresize(720,240)
#weave()
addaudio()#bug in V2.5 as per AviSynth.org guides

If the pattern is up,down,up,down,etc...,then it's prettywell interlaced. Therefore encode as such (ie alternate scan). If the pattern is up,up,back,up,up,back,etc..then it's a progressive pattern. Therefore encode with zigzag, top field and progressive checked..

Either way, run pulldown. I use the GUI without anything checked...

As far as the timecode goes, drop this into Vdub:
mpeg2source("I:\zvonar\video_ts\Zvonar.d2v")
assumefps(23.976,true)
separatefields()
lanczosresize(720,240)
weave()
addaudio()

Note the length of video. I find this to be Gospel. It's the same length as my authouring software sees, and the same length my settop recognizes regardless of what WinDVD shows

Is there an issue with the time shown??

[pijetro]

On a side note, some PAL movies were created from NTSC sources, and therefore are a real bitch to understand patterns. Especially Anime.
There's some brilliant fellas on this and the doom9 forum that can fix this. I don't have time or patience, but there is a solution.

I add in a FieldDeinterlace() command from the Decomb package that you can get here. http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/

It's great, 'cause it's motion adaptive..Looks great on NTSC TV..

Good luck!!

[FulciLives]

Well with that AviSynth script that user dfgh11 is using you do need to encode in CCE using PROGRESSIVE NTSC settings and then you need to run PULLDOWN.EXE on the resulting mpv file.

My guess is dfgh11 either didn't set up the CCE encode correctly and/or forgot to run PULLDOWN.EXE on the result to get a proper video file with 3:2 pulldown.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[dfgh11]

FulciLives- I did run a 3:2 using pulldown.exe, but this made no difference. Actually, something I forgot to mention, which may make some of what I originally posted irrelevent. After I encode with CCE the time in my media player states 1h:04m:45sec. After I run pulldown.exe
on it and import it into my authoring software it reads 1h:34m; sorry for the misinformation.And I think it is worth mentioning, that this "time-F**k" only happens when I do multipass VBR. If I run a CBR in CCE, the resulting file is fine.I have tried reinstalling CCE - the only effect that had was , it gave me a resulting file, with yet a different length than the previous time, but equally as wrong.

[FulciLives]

FulciLives- I did run a 3:2 using pulldown.exe, but this made no difference. Actually, something I forgot to mention, which may make some of what I originally posted irrelevent. After I encode with CCE the time in my media player states 1h:04m:45sec. After I run pulldown.exe
on it and import it into my authoring software it reads 1h:34m; sorry for the misinformation.And I think it is worth mentioning, that this "time-F**k" only happens when I do multipass VBR. If I run a CBR in CCE, the resulting file is fine.I have tried reinstalling CCE - the only effect that had was , it gave me a resulting file, with yet a different length than the previous time, but equally as wrong.

I use an AviSynth script that is just about the same as what you are using. I just don't use the last line ... which I think it not needed IF you use YUV instead of RGB in DVD2AVI

I never had a problem with CBR or VBR encodes and I've done many PAL to NTSC conversions.

So I'm not sure what your trouble is with CCE

BTW I use DVD2AVI version 1.76 which I understand is THE version of DVD2AVI to use despite there being several updated versions since.

Perhaps that could be making the difference?

Perhaps it is the version of CCE that you have?

*shrug* I don't know.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[dfgh11]

I too have done many PAL to NTSC encodes and this current setup was working fine up to about two weeks ago. Short of reinstalling windows, I'm not sure of any other solution, either. thanks for you help though everyone.