Windows DRM

[waheed]

I feel that DRM was designed to take way customers right.

Ive just ordered T2: Extreme Edition Region 1 from www.play.com which contains the High Defintion T2 on disc 2 in WMV HD.

Unfortunately, ive just found out that T2 contains a DRM known as "dial up DRM". Came across it here

A SOURCE WARNS European importers of DVDs to beware of a US version of Terminator 2 that's out over there.
Disk Two has a superhigh definition version of the film in Windows Media 9 on it, but it incorporates a cunning type of digital rights management (DRM).

An importer of US DVDs warns that it checks if you are in the USA or Canada, possibly by using IP addresses, and if you're not, you're terminated.

It doesn't matter whether you've a region free drive or cunning software either, apparently.

Isn't it about time the World Trade Organisation got on the case about this regional DVD rubbish? It's about time the industry had its bottom kicked hard on this scam, which lets you buy stuff if you're visiting North America but won't let you play it.

It means i cant play an ORIGINAL MOVIE IN WVM HD because im based in the UK

Now I know why people turn to PIRACY....

[BJ_M]

use a usa proxy is all (maybe)

maybe it gets YOUR ip instead by asking your system for it .. which can be done ..

not sure....

[Baldrick]

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:3dd8MCmt6AAJ:www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/showthread.php%...ient=firefox-a
scroll down to where it says install windows media player. it worked fine here....but wasn't that easy to find a proxy that wasnt blocked though.

[waheed]

Thanks Baldrick.

Now i just have to wait for the DVD to arrive and see if it works.

[waheed]

Recieved the DVD today. tried the proxy settings, which does work. however, i come across another problem:



the dvd IS in the drive, so why do i get this errror.

even the interactual player does not woek, it gives me a different problem relating to sound card not inserted properly.

My sound card is fine. ANy help?

[waheed]

OK, solved the problem. i tried it in my bro's laptop, and hey presto...

it worked, just copied the license from laptop to my pc and it all works fine.

Must say, im impressed with the High Definition quality compared to the dvd version

[ChrisX]

OK, solved the problem. i tried it in my bro's laptop, and hey presto...

it worked, just copied the license from laptop to my pc and it all works fine.

Must say, im impressed with the High Definition quality compared to the dvd version

Congratulations playing HD T2.

I got the same US Extreme DVD of T2 here in Australia and I haven't even bothered trying to play it.

The CPU and the RAM isn't a high enough for me try playing it.

The best I can do is on a laptop as this is multi-region DVD play.

The power is still below the specs to play it though and need to be at least 3.0 GHz of CPU and the RAM is just enough for HD T2.

Unfortunately it is only 2.2 GHz of CPU.

Windows DRM is an extra unwarranted hassle on something that will be obsolete in future as the HD-DVD disc is around the corner.

The expensive way for me to play the HD T2 is to bring the laptop with me to America and a hotel room.

Once there, all I have to do is get Internet connection and a plasma monitor to play it.

The same laptop got copy protection gone mad and gone overboard having a black bar when connection to the TV via s-video just to watch it.

The DVD application is WinDVD and the only way to play it externally is on a monitor such as plasma or LCD screen TV.

I can't be bothered to override this nonsense of extreme outdated copy protection techniques such as DRM, DVD regions and macrovision.

A multi-zoned DVD player or DVD recorder is enough for me.

ChrisX

[offline]

What are the spec's recommended to play it?

[ViRaL1]

Taken from M$ WMV-HD site for their sample clips.

System Requirements
The sample clips have data rates between 6,384 Kbps and 10,440 Kbps. The higher the data rate, the higher the resource requirement.

Although other system configurations might be able to play back this content, for an optimal experience we recommend the following configurations:

Minimum Configuration
(to play 720p video)

Windows XP
Windows Media Player 9 Series
2.4 GHz processor or equivalent
384 MB of RAM
64 MB video card
1024 x 768 screen resolution
16-bit sound card
Speakers
Optimum Configuration
(to play 1080p video with 5.1 surround sound)

Windows XP
Windows Media Player 10
DirectX 9.0
3.0 GHz processor or equivalent
512 MB of RAM
128 MB video card
1920 x 1440 screen resolution
24-bit 96 kHz multichannel sound card
5.1 surround sound speaker system

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx#more

[offline]

Anyone here encoded in HD WMV? BJ_M?
Can the tools to do it be obtained easily?
(I'm not interested much in just the MS sample kit.)

I've done Xvid 720p and it looks nice.

[BJ_M]

yes - ive done it ... you can do it in , squeeze, vegas , procoder, etc ...

[Baldrick]

windows media encoder can convert to hdwmv.

[waheed]

OK, solved the problem. i tried it in my bro's laptop, and hey presto...

it worked, just copied the license from laptop to my pc and it all works fine.

Must say, im impressed with the High Definition quality compared to the dvd version

Congratulations playing HD T2.

I got the same US Extreme DVD of T2 here in Australia and I haven't even bothered trying to play it.

The CPU and the RAM isn't a high enough for me try playing it.

The best I can do is on a laptop as this is multi-region DVD play.

The power is still below the specs to play it though and need to be at least 3.0 GHz of CPU and the RAM is just enough for HD T2.

Unfortunately it is only 2.2 GHz of CPU.

Windows DRM is an extra unwarranted hassle on something that will be obsolete in future as the HD-DVD disc is around the corner.

The expensive way for me to play the HD T2 is to bring the laptop with me to America and a hotel room.

Once there, all I have to do is get Internet connection and a plasma monitor to play it.

The same laptop got copy protection gone mad and gone overboard having a black bar when connection to the TV via s-video just to watch it.

The DVD application is WinDVD and the only way to play it externally is on a monitor such as plasma or LCD screen TV.

I can't be bothered to override this nonsense of extreme outdated copy protection techniques such as DRM, DVD regions and macrovision.

A multi-zoned DVD player or DVD recorder is enough for me.

ChrisX

My processor is also rated at 2.2GHZ, but i can play it without problems.

I also agree about the windows DRM. Why should i let Artisan know every time i want to play the movie, why the license requirement. If its to stop piracy, then why not just use "on disc" DRM which does not require you to connect to the internet.

License only has a 5 day period, which means connect to net again and acquire license again.

If i buy a dvd, then i should be able to watch it without any restrictions.

there a much lengtheir discussion on this topic
here

[offline]

Well I just played a number of clips
at 1080p video with 5.1 surround sound without
even slightly stressing my system. Whats with
those specs?

The quality was brilliant (with many) but I noticed with T2 that
it was not so great. Obvious noise and if you looked
carefully, a little bit of smearing too. The DVD release
of T2 (deluxe edition) looks poor as well compared
with T3. I guess the technology was not there when
T2 was nade.

[BJ_M]

the technology was certainly there -- it IS just not that great looking ... as is a lot of the wmv trailers if you really blow them up -- lots of smearing and blocks ....

look good on a pc , but not on a big screen ... compared to what i know hd can really look like ..

[offline]

So what codec is the frontrunner at the moment? (for hd)

[ChrisX]

I also agree about the windows DRM. Why should i let Artisan know every time i want to play the movie, why the license requirement. If its to stop piracy, then why not just use "on disc" DRM which does not require you to connect to the internet.

That's right and this is the one reason for me removing Musicmatch and Real Player is privacy and why does their server need to know what I am doing.

It is so ridiculous just to connect Artisan's server every time I want to play a HD T2.

License only has a 5 day period, which means connect to net again and acquire license again.

This is the hassle as not worthwhile to bother and copyright gone mad.

I do find much better to view a standard DVD version included in 'Extreme DVD' of T2.

I can access on everything else such as all the extras included in that one.

If i buy a dvd, then i should be able to watch it without any restrictions.

There is an Australian equivalent and this is called 'Ultimate Edition' as similar to U.S. 'Extreme DVD'.

However no HD film in that one as only a Standard DVD on HD master print.

BTW, my laptop is WinXP Pro as the right OS according to the specs for it to play.

ChrisX

[BJ_M]

So what codec is the frontrunner at the moment? (for hd)

a custom one i use works great -- handles 1920x2160 single or dual stream in real time (24 or 30fps) on a 3.0 P4 system off a raid 0 (2 drive setup) , using a NVIDIA Quadro video card for openGL with 7.1 audio .. it is over 10grand a lic for the whole playback application (its for 3D applications) - the codec is about 500$ ..

the quvis wavelet codec is also extremly good - the hardware starts at 30 grand to play it back though ..

picvideo custom mjpeg and wavelet lossless codecs work very well with multi cpu lic (not off the shelf versions), even the off the shelf mjpeg looks great ...


really still the best for the money is mpeg2 @ 30-50meg/s - if you have the space ...

i also have had REALLY good success with XVID for HD - better looking than AVC - though AVC will get better quickly ..

[waheed]

The T2 Extreme is my first and LAST dvd i would ever buy, mainly because of the "Phone Home DRM".

I cant be asked with such rubbish and will never want to put up with it again. I hope WMV will NEVER be the standard used for the upcoming HD DVD.