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    I have run into a big snag in my burning on BOTH CD's and DVD's.

    In the past this was my IDE setup:

    IDE One Primary: 60Gig HD
    IDE One Slave: LG Electronics 4040B DVD Burner
    IDE Two Primary: 200Gig HD
    IDE Two Slave: LG Electronics 4480 CD-RW Drive

    Here's how I have plugged it now:

    IDE One Primary: 60Gig HD
    IDE One Slave: 200Gig HD
    IDE Two Primary: LG Electronics 4040B DVD Burner
    IDE Two Slave: LG Electronics 4480 CD-RW Drive

    All jumpers are on cable select.

    With the old config everything worked fine, but I had to rearrange my case to make room for new computer parts.

    The problem I have now is neither burner drive will burn a DVD or CD from data stored on either hard drive. Both drives work fine reading CD/DVD media, and they both work if I do "on-the-fly" copying. I'm using Nero 6 Ultra, and have installed Force ASPI as well. When I run a simulation in Nero it works just fine, but as soon as the actual burn starts it fails during lead-in, and then Nero locks up, the drive wont stop spinning, the drive light blinks fast, and the only thing I can do is hit the reset button on my computer, and take my new coaster out of the drive.

    So now I can't burn anything. The same thing happens with both my burners, and I know they can still burn because on-the-fly works. Something is going wrong with the communication between the hard drives & the burners, but I'm out of ideas. Hopefully someone else has encountered this problem, and can help me out. Thanks in advance..

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  2. My first instinct is 'Cable Select' being the problem. I've never run any computer using this setup, I always had nothing but problems.

    You are in DMA mode and not PIO, right?
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    "You are in DMA mode and not PIO, right?"


    How does one check this??

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  4. She-it, I was afraid you'd ask that!

    I don't run XP. But, this should get you real close (it's the path used to find the options in Win2000 Pro, and that's reasonably similar to XP)...

    Control Panel
    System
    Hardware
    Device Manager
    IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers
    Primary IDE Channel (or Secondary)
    Advanced Settings

    It should read in the drop-down menus 'DMA If Available' but not 'PIO' right below each menu.

    See if that gets you in the right area...
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    I get as far as

    Control Panel
    System
    Hardware
    Device Manager
    IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers


    Under that is only listed NVIDIA nForce(TM) IDE Controller

    No Primary or Secondary, and nothing in there that has Advanced Settings, and nothing that lists PIO or DMA.

    Ugh!

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  6. Doesn't look like this? Substitute nVidia for VIA, of course...
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    Nope.. this is what I get:
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  9. This is where my lack of XP knowledge is a real pisser!

    http://www.ati.com/support/faq/winxp/winxpconfigenabledma.html
    And this would have been the perfect source.

    Do you get any useful options when double-clicking on the nVidia controller?
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    Just your basic driver info BS.. Nothing that'll allow me to check to see if I'm in DMA.. I don't think it's your lack of XP knowledge, but jus tthe fact my mobo (DFI Lanparty Ultra II) has different IDE controllers than a VIA chipset.. I'm sure that DMA can be checked, and controlled somewhere.. I just can't find it..
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  11. My only other guess is to check the actual drives and not just the controllers.

    But my hunch is Cable Select being the problem. I've read many threads here where this solved a multitude of IDE conflicts.
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    No advanced settings in the drives in the device manager either.. I set all the jumpers to PRI master/slave, same for SEC, and have a new coaster sitting on my desk.. this is a real puzzler..
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  13. i believe this is because of cable select that nothing is appearing in the setting in device manager.

    my cousin had the same problem until i took out his drive and physically state which drive is the master and the slave,

    so you have to do that i believe ( i might be wrong ) but it works with us, so you can see the settings,

    because it states the nvidia controller but under this menu option you should also see Primary and Secondary but cable select wont be under here

    hope this helps.
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  14. That may have been what I was trying to remember last night. Cable Select preventing the primary and secondary channels from showing up in the Device Manager...
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    I opened up my case last night, and set the jumpers to master/slave for both my hard drives & burners. Still not showing up in the Device Manager..
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  16. take out your Cd writer and glare at it.. real hard.. then try burning a DVD-rw (they can be re-used in case of failure). DMA is set under IDE primary channel etc. You may be having a problem as your two burners require different UDMA modes.
    SO control panel..device mgr...Ide atapi ctrlrs...2ndary Ide Channel...
    right click... properties.. advanced settings...Voila*

    reboot after taking out your CDRW drive .. also scan for hardware changes..(control panel)

    sorted..??
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    I know this might sound really stupid, but it's easy to overlook the simple stuff. Did you go into BIOS and get the system to identify all your drives again?
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    Alright I was finally able to find the PIO/DMA settings for the IDE channel, and it's not in the control panels, but in the BIOS. However, there's not too mush as far as instructions go in the mobo manual for the settings. Check out the pict below..

    This is what the mobo manual says about the settings:

    On-Chip Primary IDE and On-Chip Secondary IDE
    These fields allow you to enable or disable the primary and secondary
    IDE controller. The default is Enabled. Select Disabled if you want
    to add a different hard drive controller.

    IDE Primary Master/Slave PIO and IDE Secondary Master/Slave
    PIO

    PIO means Programmed Input/Output. Rather than have the BIOS
    issue a series of commands to effect a transfer to or from the disk
    drive, PIO allows the BIOS to tell the controller what it wants and
    then let the controller and the CPU perform the complete task by
    themselves. Your system supports five modes, 0 (default) to 4, which
    primarily differ in timing. When Auto is selected, the BIOS will select
    the best available mode after checking your drive.

    Auto The BIOS will automatically set the system according
    to your hard disk drive’s timing.

    Mode 0-4 You can select a mode that matches your hard disk
    drive’s timing. Caution: Do not use the wrong setting
    or you will have drive errors.

    IDE Primary Master/Slave UDMA and IDE Secondary Master/
    Slave UDMA

    These fields allow you to set the Ultra DMA in use. When Auto is
    selected, the BIOS will select the best available option after checking
    your hard drive or CD-ROM.

    Auto The BIOS will automatically detect the settings for
    you.

    Disabled The BIOS will not detect these categories.

    IDE Prefetch Mode

    This allows data and addresses to be stored in the internal buffer of
    the chip, thus reducing access time. Enable this field to achieve better
    performance.


    This is pretty confusing to me, but right now UDMA is set to Auto, and PIO is Auto as well.. Should I try changing the value of PIO to 0? I'm thinking right now it is using UDMA, but am not sure..
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    In the device manager, look under the "SCSI and Raid Controllers". You may have them installed on the extra controller built into your mainboard. If you do have 4 IDE ports, just put one device on each port and you should be fine. I would put the hard drives on the extra controller, and install the optical drives on the main controller.
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  21. Your bios must detect what the drives can do .. leave them all at auto. Windows then must also be made aware of what datarate each device requires. (blame Bill gates)
    Control Panel
    SYSTEM--HARDWARE--DEVICE MGR



    Get hold of NERO Info tool and check your drove with this..
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    First I'd like to say thanks to ya'll for your help. Second I'd like to say before you look too deep into a problem try to look on the surface..

    It turns out there was nothing wrong with my hardware at all. I got to thinking maybe it's Nero??? What a concept! I tried using CopytoDVD to burn a disc, and it worked fine. Then I uninstalled Nero, re-installed it, and viola, no more coasters. Once again thanks ya'll..

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  23. Nero. A fantasic piece of software. When it works.

    Glad to see you're up and running again.
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  24. umm i had this problem using the lg gsa-4040b.. and the problem persisted in other programs. BUT sometimes the burn would work.

    I narrowed it down to the burner not liking the media i was using. I was using a batch of RIDATA ritek discs i'd ordered from rima.com. abd about 70 pr 80 percent of them wouldn't burn when i selected 4x. If I selected 2x i had no problems. ITs in dna mode and everything.

    tried other media.. had rima send me samples from another batch of ridata's and had no problems bujrning at 4x.

    so i was guessing i got a wierd batch of ridata discs.. as I've read that 3rd party companies (including ridata) have occasionally packaged ritek B grade madia instead of A grade.

    anyways i used up that batch and this batch seems to run fine.

    so if you get 1 burn to work.. you might not have solved the problem as I on occasion got it to work afew times (even in a row) only to find the problem still existed.
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  25. It sounds like you have a locked version of nero, locked to a particular drive. When you changed your system your drive was no longer the same letter or IDE cable/place it was when NERO WAS INSTALLED, so as an atnti-piracy measure (or just plain old reg entries) nero got mighty confused. hence solution.
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