bigger avi files (up to 700MB) to dvd with TempGenc

[Rorede]

Hi there,

I have downloaded several avi files from about 700 MB. When I insert these files in the TEMPGenc to convert it into two streams for audio and video, I always get the message that this is impossible because the movie input is too long (exceeds 3 hours).

I think there must be a possible way to convert these avi files to DVD ones but can't find out how.

For the good order: I have had succes with smaller parts of avi files. First I convert them in above mentioned two streams and these two streams I put in the IFOedit. The files I receive then can be burned perfectly with Nero.

I hope somebody can help me out to solve this issue. Thanks in advance!

[Goku]

what settings are u using in tmpgenc.

[Rorede]

Hi there and thanks for your quick reply,

I use first of all the wizard. I choose cbr linear PCM. Then select dvd pal and then insert the avi file. Then choose: no interlace and aspect ratio: 1:1 VGA. I don't use filter setings. I keep all the bitrate settings the same as suggested. So basically I doesn't change any pre-suggested settin. But even when I do that, in orede to get he file complete as dvd on the disk I never closer then 117 % of the total disk amount. With above mentioned settings this ratio is 177% (!).

Rob

[garrymum]

These files will probably be DivX's and have an incorrect length marker. In TMPGenc, go through the wizard and then choose source range. Set the start and and end points. This should correct the length problem.

[bugster]

Hi there,

I always get the message that this is impossible because the movie input is too long (exceeds 3 hours).

Does the playing time actually exceed 3 hours?

[Goku]

r u using pal 720x576 resolution if u r try using lower resolution because u can fit more video on a dvd using this setting.

[Rorede]

Hi there Garrymum,

It looks like your suggestion will do the trick! Thank you so much for that! Besides me you make a little boy who loves Disney very happy!

I have loaded an avi file now and TMPGenc is converting it according to the source range settings you said. It says it will use 100% of the disk space.

I keep you posted for the end result!

Rob

[Rorede]

Goku thank you too. I will try your option ass well.

[bugster]

r u using pal 720x576 resolution if u r try using lower resolution because u can fit more video on a dvd using this setting.

Wrong. You need a lower bitrate. Resolution has absolutley no effect on filesize.

[bugster]

Please do not continue to repeat this question. I ahve seen it 3 times now, twice in its own topic, once in a seperate topic. One posting per question is enough. Other topic Locked.

/Moderator Bugster

[Rorede]

Hello Bugster,

Sorry for posting this topic first where it didn't belong. Because I thought nobody would react I transferred my question to the right forum. The one suggested by Sticky (!). By the way I am a complete new member and need a little time to figure things out. But hey I'll watch out better next time when posting!

Rob

[bugster]

Hello Bugster,

Sorry for posting this topic first where it didn't belong.
Rob

Don't worry about it, its not a problem as long as you don't do it again

[Goku]

Wrong. You need a lower bitrate. Resolution has absolutley no effect on filesize.[/quote]

your wrong because if you use a lower resolution you are using less pixels for the picture and you can fit more video on a dvd using this setting. take a look on the tmpegenc wizard and it tells you about the types of settings from pal and low resolution pal.

[bugster]

Wrong. You need a lower bitrate. Resolution has absolutley no effect on filesize.

take a look on the tmpegenc wizard .[/quote]

Sorry, but your source of information is seriously flawed.

The TmpGenc wizard automatically lowers the bitrates in use when you use a lower resolution. This does not mean that lower resolution = smaller file size. It does not. What it actually means is that using lower resolution you can get away with a lower bitrate because you need less information per frame for a given quality level.

An mpeg file of 720 * 480 at 4000Kbits per second will be exactly the same size as an mpeg file of 352 * 240 at 4000Kbits per second.

The point is you don't gain any advantage using a high bitrate at a lower resolution. So you can use a lower bitrate and reduce file size.

The size of an mpeg file is affected by only two things. These are bitrate and playing time. Period. Nothing else matters.

I suggest you do a little more research on the subject if you are still not convinced.

[Rorede]

Hello there you all!

Although it looks like Garrymums solution is close to he truth I stil don't have the result I had in mind. This afternoon I conversed the 700 MB avi file with the use of source range. As aspected two streams came out who I put in the IFOedit. These resulted in again a couple of files that I burned on a dvd. And what happened? Vison but no sound! And that is curious as you know that the original avi file of course has sound but also when I tell you that already on the audio line in the source range there is no reply at all.

I have tried a smaller avi file (560MB) with source range (the movie Mulan in this case) and here I saw direct hat the green sound line respond on movement of the framesetter. (another but still interesting thing is that this 560 file according to TMPGenc will exceed more then 177% of the original disk spce! That is about 60 % more than my first mentioned 700MB file! I mean...very strange huh?)

Anyway...for some reason the source range doesn't recognize the audiostream of my 700 MB file. I have tried to figure out a solution but didn't found a clue yet. Who can help (again)?

Rob

[Gazorgan]

Where to begin? Did you even read any of the guides, just curious?

And why no warning for piracy?

It looks like your suggestion will do the trick! Thank you so much for that! Besides me you make a little boy who loves Disney very happy!

There is no such thing as a 700 MB public domain Disney video.

You need to get Virtual Dub. You need to scan the file for errors. You need to deal with VBR mp3 audio which TMPGEnc will absolutely not use. You need to learn what a bitrate calculator is, so you can set your encoding bitrate. You need to look at DVD resolutions, since AVI's don't follow many rules.

You aren't doing anything unique, you just aren't doing all the steps you need to do.

[bugster]

Open your avi file in virtualdub. If it gives a warning about VBR audio, then this source range solution should work. If not, check what audio type it is using File->File information (in vdub). If it says Ac3 (tag 0x2000 I think that is) then you have to handle it differently. In that case use the guide here

[Rorede]

Thanks for the suggestions Gazorgan and Bugster. I will try them later tomorrow.

For Gazorgan: Thanks for your warning but I burn on rewritables. Within the legal amount of time I delete the files and if the movie is what I want I'll buy it. My deepest regrets that there could be such a misunderstanding about that! ;-) Further: I have read so much guides lately that I am complete puzzeled by all of them. In one folder I have about 15 tools now...I mean', let's be honest...of course all of this is fun to do and amazing when it works but it isn't all very user friendly don't you think?

Rob

[coyote]

OK....I had this problem a couple of times and it is because the avi is encoded with audio that tmpgenc is having difficulty understanding.

An easy fix:

1. Open up the avi in goldwave. And then save the audio as a wav file.
2. In tmpgenc, choose the avi for the video. It will automatically choose it for audio as well. Instead of using the avi for the audio, browse to the wav you created and choose that.

TMPGENC should now work without a problem

[Gazorgan]

It is and it isn't.

Essentially it's a very simple straight forward process. Of course that assumes you know what you have (source file). You convert the video and you convert the audio. This is 2 seperate steps. TMPGEnc sucks when converting audio, and it's not an NTSC standard anyway (although everyone uses it).

The down and dirty basics:

1) Check file in VDUB for bad frames
2) Strip out the audio in Goldwave or AVI2WAV
3) Convert the audio to AC3 (2 channel 192kbps) in BeSweet
4) Convert the AVI to an M2v video only mpeg2 stream
5) Author (assuming your app supports AC3)

That's it :P

Now someone else will use TMPG to make an MP2 and mux the whole thing to mpeg. Someone else will use something Premiere or Ulead.

And of course each step above can involve multiple processes. There are multiple ways to do any particular process. Some are better than others for time or quality. Some are out and out wrong from a standards point fo view. Some may not play in your standalone player (BeSweet AC3 being the most common).

So, either you become a 1-click wonder (ala DVD2SVCD in DVD mode) or you truly understand what you are doing so no matter what you catch in your P2P net, you can deal with it. What you downloaded today didn't exitst 3 years ago (ah the joys of ASF). Shared files are about 2x-3x bigger than they used to be. Some of the tools didn't work very well a year ago, it's an ever evolving hobby. Throw HDTV in the mix and it gets all clustered.

Ultimately everything you are trying to do has been done to death in the forums, each and every week.

[Rorede]

Hello there all of you who helped me to solve my problem.

The virtualdub trick did it in the end. As Bugster expected I got the message about the the VBR format of the sound. Just a quick conversion and the program solved this problem. The new avi file I have put in the TEMPGenc using the sourge range en a new mpeg file came out wich I converted with IFOedit. At last the big moment of burning an of course playing...and yes!...it works like a charm!! Video with sound!

Again, thanks you all!

Rob