Huge problemo

[zore]

Hey, i got a problem, Ive just bought a winfast 2000 xp deluxe and it wont work properly on two of my systems!

System 1: amd 1700+, mother board = msi k7t turbo 2, 256 mg ram, 10 gig master and 40 gig slave, and that KT133A chipset!

Ok, so am i totally screwed by having the KT133A chipset or what, is it fixable?, im confused on this issue.

Symptoms for system 1: Choppy video capture from a vhs tape and choppy video capture from tv source (plays fine for a bit then freezes, (the lost frames deal).)

System 2: Windows 98 SE, 396 meg ram, mother board = abit bx6 rev 2, celeron @850 mhz, 2 gig master and 40 gig slave, sound blaster LIVE!, logitec mouse.

Computer acts crazy when card is installed! when removed the computer is fine! seems like some sort of conflict, but i cant pinn it down. Yes DMA is enabled.

Symptoms for system 2: computer acts like its on crack when card is installed, mouse wont go where its supposed to. When it does work it captures better than system 1! but is very unrealiable.

Please help, thanks in advance , i dont know what i should check, or if i can fix this KT133A chipset conflict!

Thanks!

[indolikaa]

I have the MSI K7T Turbo2 and it's loaded to the hilt with PCI cards and other peripherals.

What -133A problem are you referring to?

[zore]

Hey thanks for the quick response. The Kt133A chipset supposedly has a major problem, its out lined in the first sticky on this forum. Supposedly it can be responsible for lost frames as it has some sort of bottle neck problem. But if you have the same mother board as me, then that rules out that problem. I need to ask you a few questions regarding your set up.

First do you have the same capture card as me ? Also do you lose lots of frames even when recording from tv? what are your settings for recording from tv? Do you have a sound card or are you using the onboard sound card?

I had it installed on my k7t turbo 2 but the capture sucked, i thought i was due to this kt133a problem.

[indolikaa]

Let me describe the setup in detail.

AMD Athlon 1200/266 processor, currently not overclocked
512MB PC133 RAM, currently not overclocked
Maxtor 30GB HDD on Channel 0 Primary
Optorite DD0203 (v2.30) on Channel 0 Secondary
Maxtor 30GB HDD on Channel 1 Primary
ATI AIW 9000 Pro in AGP Slot
TI 3-Port Firewire in PCI Slot 2
SoundBlaster Live! MP3 in PCI Slot 3
Network Everywhere 10/100 NIC in PCI Slot 4

Drive C: Partiton 1 (5GB)
Windows ME
VIA Hyperion 4-in-1 Update v4.49v
Creative SBLive! v3.0, Drivers Only
ATI Catalyst Suite with MMC 8.1

Drive C: Partition 2 (5GB) FAT32
Windows 2000 Professional with Service Pack 4
NO Updated VIA Drivers from viaarena.com
ATI Catalyst Suite with MMC 8.1

Drive C: Partition 3 (20GB) NTFS
Not Used for Video Editing


Now, I can capture video in either DV.avi format (with WinDV) or MPEG-2 format (with ATI MMC) on the WinME or the Win2000 partition with the following maximum parameters:

DV.avi: Beyond the 4GB limit via file spanning.
No dropped frames. Ever.

MPEG-2: 720x480 NTSC, 5000 VBR, 98% Motion Estimate, 1I 2B 2P, LPCM Audio
No dropped frames 50% of the time, 1 or 2 dropped frames at the very beginning the rest of the time.

I can increase the VBR rate above 5000, but the picture quality starts to decrease quickly and the dropped frames count begins to climb.

I connect the ATI card directly to the sound card for monitoring only; the ATI card captures sound without the assistance of the system.

[zore]

Ok thanks again for the quick reply, so you do have a different capture card but same mobo and close system parameters, what does this patch do ?

"VIA Hyperion 4-in-1 Update v4.49v"

Also, i do have a sound blaster live, but i dont have the original install cd any more, so i have not installed it on the xp machine, if i do get ahold of the cd, how do i turn off the on board audio? is it automatic?

I suspect that the onboard video card is the culprit, because you have a sound card and i dont.

Thanks, any thoughts are always welcome!

[racerxnet]

The Via patch number 4.35 should be used on Win 95,98, ME. The support for these OS systems was dropped not only by MS but also from Via regarding the 4 in 1 drivers. You can document this from Via regarding the 4 in 1 drivers. Your drivers for the sound card can be had at driversguide.com. The latency patch from george Breese or the Via raid patch number 1.05 solves this know issue for the chipset.

[indolikaa]

The onboard sound card is controlled through the BIOS. You have to reboot the machine and enter the BIOS to disable it there.

Onboard sound controllers sometimes cause problems with video capture. I don't know specifically why, but migrating a couple of my friends from onboard sound to PCI sound solved a great many problems in this arena.

The Hyperion is the complete driver set for VIA-based motherboards, like the K7T Turbo2. Windows ships with a generic IDE controller driver that in many situations is the preferred way to do business with the southbridge chipset; i.e., your hard disk controller.

My advice is to install the Hyperion update if you are running Win98/98SE/ME but don't install it with Win2000 or WinXP. But before you do this, disable your onboard sound, download the drivers only update for the SoundBlaster Live! and see what happens.

I'll keep an eye on this thread while you work your magic.

[racerxnet]

VIA Hyperion drivers are suitable for any VIA chipset and all Microsoft Windows Operating Systems (Win95/98/98SE users, see **Note below). If you are looking for VIA 4in1 drivers, these are the drivers you are looking for. The "Hyperion" name was added to the 4in1 driver set name in December 2002. Users with hybrid chipsets (with a VIA southbridge and AMD northbridge for example) should obtain drivers from their motherboard manufacturer.


**Note: Win95/98/98SE are now relatively old operating systems, and drivers are no longer optimized for those operating systems. Many users of VIA chipsets who run Win95/98/98SE report that using an older version, such as VIA 4in1 version 4.35, they experience a more responsive system.

http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300

[indolikaa]

racerxnet,

That is most definitely updated information from VIA, in regards to Windows 2000 and Windows XP. I didn't think to check VIA's site before I posted; I went from memory. That would be My Bad.

.indolikaa.

[racerxnet]

No Problemo,

Just trying to help on the technical side. Keep up the good work.

[zore]

hi again and thanks a million guys, saved me oodles of tiempo.

Ok so from what i understand i should 1. install the new "hyperion" drivers from via, 2. install the the 1.05 patch from via??, 3. install the sound blaster live and get ridd of the on board audio.

racerxnet, could you clarify this

"The latency patch from george Breese or the Via raid patch number 1.05 solves this know issue for the chipset."

In particular this part "Via raid patch number 1.05 ", do i need this as well as the hyperion 4in1 patch?

thanks a million.

[indolikaa]

My manual doesn't show a RAID option for this board. Skip the RAID update/patch file and do the Hyperion and SoundBlaster.

Also, make sure your hard drives have DMA enabled. If they aren't, you will drop frames like there's no tomorrow. I am right now wondering if that might not be your problem in the first place...

Do you know if you are running in DMA mode?

[zore]

Hi, heres where im at, i have reinstalled the winfast tv 2000 xp deluuuxe (whew thats a long name) and im now going to install the sound blaster live (found the cd).. just double checked that dma and it says " current transfer mode --> udma 4 primary and udma 5 secondary.

Another question i got is the quality of the video, ive read all through this forum that i cant use crap vhs tapes,, im wondering if this could be the problem as the vcr im using could have seen better days. This doesnt explain the loss of frames when capturing tv tho, but well see after i install the sound card.

So im from canada by the way.

[indolikaa]

You can drop frames if the capture card can't 'stabilize' the incoming VHS signal. But you're having problems with another source, so I don't think that's necessarily an issue. So you were right on the money with your thinking.

[zore]

Progress report:


sb live install: completed

winfast 2000xp deluxe: updated drivers + software installed

Kt133A chipset : installed latest drivers from viarena

result : video capture now working


Thanks for all the help, without you people out there i dont know what id do!

Done

bye for now!

[indolikaa]

You're welcome, zore. I'm gald to see you're up and running.