Well after some trial & error Ive done it, my first sucessfull backup. The disk was the Matrix (the first one) very scratched up I must add. I tried to decrpyt the disk in disk mode using DVDDerypter that didnt work then I tried DVDShrink both gave crc errors, so I did file mode using DVDDecrypter that worked then I used DVD Shrink to compress the file the finally I used Nero to burn it to a DVD+RW. The quality is pretty good, now for my final test is to see how it will play in standalone dvd players. Thanks to everyone on the foum that posted guides, they helped me get through this project.