Did I get ripped off ?

[susie]

I purchased my new P4 system two week ago.

The system suppose to come with a Sony 16x12x40x burner but the store owner told me that she didn't have any Sony left and she would give me a Yamaha 16x12x40x instead. I took the offer. Yesterday I was reading a review on the Yamaha burner I got and learned that the burner isn't what it is. It can't burn at 16x and rewrite at 12x. It can write at 12x and rewrite at 10x.

Is Yamaha falsely advertising it's products ?

[DiViNeLeFT]

i wouldnt say you got ripped off because of the burner... i would say that the p4 was the ripoff!!

[nightwing7]

AMD is king of CPU's

[zzyzzx]

Plus Yamaha CD writers have a pretty bad reputation also.

[AntnyMD]

If you have to ask the question, the answer is "yes."

[susie]

You are an AMD fan.

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On 2001-10-11 10:47:42, DiViNeLeFT wrote:
i wouldnt say you got ripped off because of the burner... i would say that the p4 was the ripoff!!
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[susie]

You are AMD fan #2.

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On 2001-10-11 10:52:16, nightwing7 wrote:
AMD is king of CPU's
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[susie]

Too late for me now.

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On 2001-10-11 11:52:21, zzyzzx wrote:
Plus Yamaha CD writers have a pretty bad reputation also.


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[susie]

Yup. Once anyone buys any PC or PC hardware...he/she automatically becomes a "sucker".

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On 2001-10-11 12:03:20, AntnyMD wrote:
If you have to ask the question, the answer is "yes."
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[kr0n0s]

susie

i would say that you return to the store with the burner in your hand and the documentation stating it is a 12x/10x, and also bring along your reciept which should say they gave you a 16x/12x and demand a new burner ,... then you can get rid of the yamaha

[Bullworth]

I'd do what kr0n0s is suggesting. You can even take it a step further and threaten to make a scene right there if they try to tell you that "something is wrong with your computer" or "you must have installed it wrong". Yamahas have a reputation for not always performing the way they claim to.

[susie]

Kr0n0s ,
The review I read said that the burner can't burn at 16x and rewrite at 10x. I have yet to test it.



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On 2001-10-11 13:22:20, kr0n0s wrote:
susie

i would say that you return to the store with the burner in your hand and the documentation stating it is a 12x/10x, and also bring along your reciept which should say they gave you a 16x/12x and demand a new burner ,... then you can get rid of the yamaha
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[susie]

I will do so after I test the burner or else I would look like a fool in front of them.


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On 2001-10-11 13:33:42, Bullworth wrote:
I'd do what kr0n0s is suggesting. You can even take it a step further and threaten to make a scene right there if they try to tell you that "something is wrong with your computer" or "you must have installed it wrong". Yamahas have a reputation for not always performing the way they claim to.
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[kinneera]

Any burning software should be able to tell you what the speed capabilities of your drive are. If it is less than what you were told you were buying, then it is probably the store's problem, not Yamaha. In any case, it would represent fraud, and you can get someone in a lot of trouble.

[Kwulabear]

I have yet to see a yamaha cdrw that didn't display what it was on the front of it. And I have had 3 yamaha's. All of them said what it was on the drive door. ie: 16x10x40. So check on yours. If it doesn't say yamaha, it's probably not.

Also, yamaha didn't make a a 16x12x40 (is that a typo?)

A list of all yamaha's models: http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/cHDR00007

[susie]

I was referring to the "true" burn speed of the burner.
It says 16x10x40 right on the burner but from what I have read on a review...the burner can't burn at 16x and rewrite at 10x. It can burn at 15.9x and 8x rewrite.

Of course I have to find out myself if this is true or not.

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On 2001-10-11 14:19:42, kinneera wrote:
Any burning software should be able to tell you what the speed capabilities of your drive are. If it is less than what you were told you were buying, then it is probably the store's problem, not Yamaha. In any case, it would represent fraud, and you can get someone in a lot of trouble.
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[speedy]

I have a Yamaha 16X CRW2100EZ and it burns at 16X speed, flawlessly. Unlike most other burners it has a 8 mb buffer compared to 4 or 2 mb most others have. Haven't made a coaster with this burner yet. Also very quite.

Find your model here and see what speed it is suppose to run at for burning an reading. You may have be stuck with an older model.

http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/cHDR00007

[susie]

Yes it does say "16x10x40x" on the tray of the burner.
One of the review I read said that the burner can't actually rewrite at 10x as it claims but can rewrite at 8x.

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On 2001-10-11 14:44:34, Kwulabear wrote:
I have yet to see a yamaha cdrw that didn't display what it was on the front of it. And I have had 3 yamaha's. All of them said what it was on the drive door. ie: 16x10x40. So check on yours. If it doesn't say yamaha, it's probably not.

Also, yamaha didn't make a a 16x12x40 (is that a typo?)

A list of all yamaha's models: http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/cHDR00007
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[susie]

We have the same burner.

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On 2001-10-11 14:52:36, speedy wrote:
I have a Yamaha 16X CRW2100EZ and it burns at 16X speed, flawlessly. Unlike most other burners it has a 8 mb buffer compared to 4 or 2 mb most others have. Haven't made a coaster with this burner yet. Also very quite.

Find your model here and see what speed it is suppose to run at for burning an reading. You may have be stuck with an older model.

http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/cHDR00007
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[Kwulabear]

I can only speak of my burner 16x10x40. I have put 10x cdrws in it and it burned with no problems.

[susie]

yes it will burn with no problem but at 8x not 10x

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On 2001-10-11 15:02:46, Kwulabear wrote:
I can only speak of my burner 16x10x40. I have put 10x cdrws in it and it burned with no problems.
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[susie]

http://www.cdrinfo.com/hardware/yamaha2100e/page7.shtml

The Yamaha CRW2100E disappoints at that point since it doesn't support 10x (CLV) writing speed with HS RW media. This was confirmed from the specs: Re-Writing: 2X, 4X, 8X (CLV) in DAO, TAO mode, 10X (4X-10X Full CAV) in Fixed Packet Writing. That means the drive is not real 10x write capable since it writes only 10x under packet writing (which most users don't use anyway). As Yamaha informed us about this subject:

"...10x ReWriting" is only available in case of below (a) + (b) ;
(a) Writing to a high speed ReWritable disk
(b) Writing with PACKET WRITING !

10x ReWriting will be done by using "CAV" writing so that the writing speed will vary according to the position on the disk. At an inner side of a disk, writing starts with 4x and it goes up to 10x at the MOST OUTER side. Please note that it is NOT POSSIBLE to SELECT 10x BY YOURSELF and there is no way to confirm the current speed on writing softwares. The CRW2100 will select the speed and make it change automatically..."




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I can only speak of my burner 16x10x40. I have put 10x cdrws in it and it burned with no problems.
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[Kwulabear]

I will do some tests on mine tonight and post back.

[susie]

how ?
How can one tell if the burner is actually burning at the speed it says on the software ?

It is not like we have a measuring device to measure the speed. (sorry if I am asking a stupid question)

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I will do some tests on mine tonight and post back.
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[Kwulabear]

It appears that cdr-info only calculated the the time it takes to burn a disc. Nowhere does it actually say how much info they burned or kilobytes a sec they got. While it may not be scientific I will take a 10x cdrw and burn the max and caculate the time it takes to burn. They show 600 secs which is 10 minutes. If mine burns faster than it's doing better than they got.

[susie]

Yes you are right. I never paid attention to the specification the way you did.

Let us know the result soon

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On 2001-10-11 16:07:18, Kwulabear wrote:
It appears that cdr-info only calculated the the time it takes to burn a disc. Nowhere does it actually say how much info they burned or kilobytes a sec they got. While it may not be scientific I will take a 10x cdrw and burn the max and caculate the time it takes to burn. They show 600 secs which is 10 minutes. If mine burns faster than it's doing better than they got.
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[zzyzzx]

[quote]How can one tell if the burner is actually burning at the speed it says on the software ?

It is not like we have a measuring device to measure the speed. (sorry if I am asking a stupid question)[quote]

Measuring device = watch or clock.
1X = 74 (or 80 minutes) to burn
2X = half that
etc., etc.

[susie]

yup.

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On 2001-10-11 16:20:55, zzyzzx wrote:
[quote]How can one tell if the burner is actually burning at the speed it says on the software ?

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Measuring device = watch or clock.
1X = 74 (or 80 minutes) to burn
2X = half that
etc., etc.



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[HillJack]

I have a Yamaha 2100S rated for 16x write, 10x rewrite. Using NERO (which detects the speed a disc can be written at) and the appropriate media, I burn a cd-r at 16x no problem whatsoever, and using the included "high-speed" cd-rw I can burn at 10x, no problem whatsoever.

What software are you using to burn the CD's? If its NERO, your media probably can't do the max burn speeds, so NERO doesn't allow you to select it. Put a cd-r rated for 16x in and try it, it will burn it. Put a cd-rw rated for 10x in and try it, it will burn it too.

Enough Yamaha bashing already, Plextor is better than Yamaha, Intel is better than AMD... blah blah blah... who really cares? (rhetorical question, don't bother answering because I certainly don't).

[kinneera]

The speed of rewriteable discs is strictly enforces by the media itself, thus a 4x disc will only burn at 4x regardless of the speed of your drive, and the same goes for 8x. As for CD-R, if your drive is rated for 16x, and you're getting 15.9x, then your drive is performing appropriately. The write mode can even impact burn speed - if I ask my Plextor to burn full subcodes, it maxes out at around 9x even for 12x discs.