I Burned a Dual Layer with, how is this?

[Xdreamer]

ok first of all let me break it down for everyone, I didnt think this would of worked but it did!! maybe there was some video loss, but my naked eye cant tell AT ALL!!!
ok so I bought my little brother Stitch The movie, so I backed it up just incase he losses it/scratches it WHATEVER...when I loaded it using DVD Decrypter it said it was a Dual layer DVD, but this was the weird part, it was only 4 gigs bigg, go figure...so I backed it up like you would a single layer (dvd-5) and did the same to burn it too...well after all this I threw it in my dvd player, thinkin it would not work, or just lack some features but it didnt!!! It was just like a dvd5 to a dvd5...nothing different. How is this possible??? Has anyone seen this before when backing up a movie??

[Baldrick]

If a dual layer dvd is under ~4.38 GB you can make an exact copy.

[tompika]

Xdreamer, you were dreaming.

[Xdreamer]

tompika,
I think not, go buy Stitch the movie, even on the back it says its a dual layer, cuz when I went to go buy it, I was like WHY would a movie thats 64 mins long be a dual layer, its not like it has HIGH intense graphics, but it was!!! But I ripped it and burned it like a single layer!! Trust me I know what im takin about my library consists of over 3k dvd's!!

Baldrick,
I did do that, it was just weird to see why a company would make it dual layer when its a single layer size....

[tompika]

It doesnt matter whats on the paper if its single layer you can make an image-write the image to DVDR.

If its dual layer you have to shrink it to put on a DVDR.

If its dual but the main movie is less than 4.37GB you still have to recreate the navigation files somehow to burn as a DVD-Video.

[SLK001]

Trust me I know what im takin about my library consists of over 3k dvd's!!

You've got over $40,000 worth of DVD's?

[housepig]

tompika - can you be more specific about the navigation parameters?

I would think that it's irrelevant if it's a dual layer or not - if the total data on the disc is less than 4.38Gb, you should be able to copy it onto a dvdr.

for the sake of argument, if I somehow had a single-layer disc that had 5.5Gb on it, it doesn't matter that it's single-layer, I'm not getting that on a dvdr... too much data.

[silas]

what colour is the dvd, silver or gold (on the playing side)

[SLK001]

what colour is the dvd, silver or gold (on the playing side)

Doesn't matter. A single layer can be either color (I have a couple of fake dual layers that look exactly like a dual - gold color - but load them into any ripper and they are singles).

[Xdreamer]

thankx everyone for understanding were I am coming from, tompika didnt get it. YES i was ONLY 4.01 GIG WHOLE IMAGE, so i burnt it like a IMG. but DVD Decrypter said it was a DUAL layer. who knows...

SLK001,
yes that would be my collection.....

[tompika]

tompika - can you be more specific about the navigation parameters?

Lets say the:
1. Disc is dual layer (more than 4.37GB)
2. But the main movie would fit on a DVDR

You cant just take the main movie away to burn the VOBs, BUPs, IFOs and play in a standalone.

You can run DVD2One or other proggies...with no compression or
recreate the navigational files(BUPs, IFOs) with IFOEdit,...

But the best is to run DVDShrink selecting the main movie.

Why do you ask you know better than I do

[tompika]

thankx everyone for understanding were I am coming from, tompika didnt get it. YES i was ONLY 4.01 GIG WHOLE IMAGE, so i burnt it like a IMG. but DVD Decrypter said it was a DUAL layer. who knows...

SLK001,
yes that would be my collection.....

It would be the first dual layer movie under 4.37GB I've heard about.

But if you say....

[silas]

what colour is the dvd, silver or gold (on the playing side)

Doesn't matter. A single layer can be either color (I have a couple of fake dual layers that look exactly like a dual - gold color - but load them into any ripper and they are singles).

Please do not be so ignorant as to dismiss me as an idiot, I asked the question for a reason, there is an increase in fake Disney dvd's and some have been 'ammended' with products like ifoedit, and the build of the file has been tampered with, these discs are then pressed on the silver rather than the more expensive gold dye and as such information pertaining to the format and structure are incorrect, and as such programs like dvddecryptor would report the disc as dual layer as this is the information stored in the structure. But the 'copy' could be on a single layer silver, this is also done to try fool some copy check software as to the legality of the product.

It was a simple question that did not warrant your response, and I would appreciate if the original poster could answer the question.
Thank you

[jdizzy40]

I think this has something to do with the Air Force finding those little green people at Roswell AFB in the late 40's. Yep I convinced.

[Xdreamer]

jdizzy40,
what is that all about??!?!?! dunno....

The disc is a silver not gold..I just found it weird that a dvd the size of a single would be a dual layer, what would be the purpose behind this? oh well...

[Vejita-sama]

Let step in here to backup the oringal post. Stitich the movie is dual layer. But the total data on the disc is ~4GB. I have NO IDEA WHY, but that's what it is.

Here's what you do, forget the image. Rip the whole disc to the HD in file mode.

[Skylooker]

Sounds like the dual-layer disc is being under utilized. If the data contained on it is small enough that it will fit on a single layer then you're good to go. Consider it your lucky day.

[silas]

The disc is a silver not gold..I just found it weird that a dvd the size of a single would be a dual layer, what would be the purpose behind this? oh well...

Thank you, thats the answer I wanted

[tompika]

Could Xdreamer post a media info (JPEG image) of that dual layer 4GB DVD, please.
www.dvdinfopro.com

It would be interesting to see it.

Thanks

[Gazorgan]

That disk has a lot of extras on it, even if the movie is 4 GB itself. Total disk used is well over 4.3 GB.

[diablos_blade]

I think gazorgan has a point - i have a lot of disney films and backed them all up and although the main movie fits on to a dvd5 with no compression - the whole disc was around 5gb so could not just transfer movies over - menus etc still intact. Was the entire discs contents only 4.01gb or was that just the film? I haven't actually got that movie yet so would be glad to here that the whole disc is less than 4.37gb

[coyote]

Is it possible that the disc also had some interactive stuff for the computer on it as well (disney usually puts games and stuff on their dvd's). If you decrypted the disc, you may not have copied these.

[Xdreamer]

ok people let me break it down to you guys AGAIN.....the movie its self was i wanna say around 2.7 GB, dont quote me on this, but THE WHOLE DISC ITSELF WAS UNDER 4.37....that includes EXTRAS...MUSIC VIDEOS...EVERYTHING!!!

[SLK001]

Please do not be so ignorant as to dismiss me as an idiot, I asked the question for a reason, there is an increase in fake Disney dvd's and some have been 'ammended' with products like ifoedit, and the build of the file has been tampered with, these discs are then pressed on the silver rather than the more expensive gold dye and as such information pertaining to the format and structure are incorrect, and as such programs like dvddecryptor would report the disc as dual layer as this is the information stored in the structure. But the 'copy' could be on a single layer silver, this is also done to try fool some copy check software as to the legality of the product.

It was a simple question that did not warrant your response, and I would appreciate if the original poster could answer the question.
Thank you

First off, no one "dismissed" you as an idiot (at least in my post). I was simply pointing out that the color of the disk is no indication of the disc's "dual-layer" status (unless it is silver), which I thought you were trying to determine. As I said, I have some pirate disks that say they are dual layer and are gold colored, just like you would expect a D-L to be - but they are only 4GBs.

So, I guess that I'm in the dark as to why you were asking the color (unless you were thinking that it was purple?).

[Richard_G]

Does it really matter? We are talking about a commercial produced disk here. Maybe the pressing plant only use dual layer disks as the majority of stuff they are going to be producing needs them. Just because the disk is capable of holding 9 Gigs doesn't mean anyone has to use all of it. After all, how many times have you looked at a commercial software CD and found less than 100 Mb on it?

If the total of the VOB, BUP and IFO files is less than 4.3 Gb, then you should simply be able to rip them and write them to a DVD5 disk. If it was a very short movie and the total size was less than 640 Mb, you could just as easily write them to a CDR. It makes no difference at all what size disk it was on originally. You can copy the contents of a 1.44 Mb floppy onto a 640 Mb CDR if you want. It may be a bit of a waste of space, but you can do it.

[Cornucopia]

Yes, Richard_G, but if you backed up a disc that was actually DL yet was <4.3G and you did it via Disc/ISO mode to a DVD-R, wouldn't the disc be slightly incompatible/confusing to some players.
I mean, you would still have some of the ISO flags saying "hey, look out, this is a DL disc!" when in fact it wouldn't be any longer.
I think this would warrent doing it in HD mode and using IFOEdit to correct the flags. Yes/No?

Scott

[Vejita-sama]

Once again this really is a dual layer/DVD9 discs where the TOTAL SIZE OF ALL DATA ON THE DISC is less than 4.3GB. I'll capture and post a pick with I get home

Again, rip in file mode and change the pointers (IFOedit/DVDShirnk no compression, etc).

[flaninacupboard]

you would still have some of the ISO flags saying "hey, look out, this is a DL disc!" when in fact it wouldn't be any longer.

Would it? If there's no content on the other layer, there would be nothing to point to.

[Cornucopia]

you would still have some of the ISO flags saying "hey, look out, this is a DL disc!" when in fact it wouldn't be any longer.

Would it? If there's no content on the other layer, there would be nothing to point to.

Yes, but if you don't correct the flags in IFOEdit (flags such as "layer change HERE!") they'll point to a spot that wouldn't exist on the DVD-R backup, and this could bonk a DVDplayer.

Anybody have examples of this one way or the other?

Scott

[tompika]

Yes, but if you don't correct the flags in IFOEdit (flags such as "layer change HERE!") they'll point to a spot that wouldn't exist on the DVD-R backup, and this could bonk a DVDplayer.

Scott, you definetely got the point and it would be interesting to try the compatibility of such copies

Although you said the same about the DVD-ROM booktype, yet I havent found a single player that would refuse my discs.

Regards, tompika