VCD from dvd rip wont play smooth

[dalt]

Hi all
Finally got to burn vcds from a dvd rip of my own.

But the problem is the vcd doesn't play smooth. Well it's like
when the camera runs from one side to another, it is like there is very small "stops" in the movie.
All other vcd's i have done from other sources like off the net have worked absolutely fine - no problems, running smoth , but this is different where i am using my own rip as the source.
My process is

Rip with Smartripper
Convert with DVD2AVI
Then TMPGEenc
then burn with vcd easy.

I have tried various f/p/s/ rates but no luck.
If i can fix this final problem i will be most happy.
HELP!!!please....

[Skylooker]

FPS should be 29.97 for standard NTSC video. More importand is the video bitrate you're encoding at. How do you have that set?

[dalt]

Hi

Had the bitrate set at the max which was around 2500 ish.
SHould i play with this setting!!

[mats.hogberg]

It's important that the source frame rate, and VCD frame rate are equal. PAL DVD -> PAL (S)VCD or NTSC DVD -> NTSC (S)VCD works.
PAL DVD -> NTSC (S)VCD or NTSC DVD -> PAL (S)VCD will give you a slight "jerk" in what ought to be a smooth movement on screen.

Until you get beyond the point of "Finally got to burn vcds from a dvd rip of my own", I suggest sticking to TMPGEncs wizard. You don't lose much, since there's not much you can tweak (beyond what the wizard provides) if you're really going for a VCD.

/Mats

[Hardcoreruss]

As Matts says but if you want a nice easy method use EAZY VCD

[johns0]

I used to use those 3 progs for making my backups and got the same jerky movements,try dvd2svcd and you will find the vast improvements.

[dalt]

dvd2svcd is another option i have been trying, but i'm about to give up on that one because when the video goes to tmpgenc to encode it just keeps encoding it over and over again, like it gets stuck in a loop.......aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgh!!

[mats.hogberg]

dvd2svcd et al "allinone" packages are just fronts (well, most of them are) for tools you can use yourself, hiding the dirty details of what's actually going on. If you're lucky it works, if not, you're stuck without a clue as to what and where things go wrong. If your goal is just to rip a DVD and make a copy, then by all means use the allinone packages (if they do the job), but if you'd like to learn a thing or two in the process, and maybe tweak a few settings here and there, you have to understand each step and tool in the process.

/Mats

[johns0]

i use dvd2svcd as a helping tool and use what ever means to get the best encode but i also did a lot of research into the process of the methods to get the bet results without relying on these "allinone" packages,the reason TMPGEnc is doing that is cause it is set on cq encode and the program is doing test runs to give the best file prediction size,you can set the control method to cbr or 2 pass vbr if you want

[Gazorgan]

In 1 paragraph you say VCD and in another you say max bitrate of 2500.

These are mutually exclusive. VCD is fixed bitrate. SVCD is variable, but has a max for compatability. Which one are you actually trying to make?

Rip/DVD2AVI/VFAPI/TMPG/BURN is incredibly easy and has no options, everything is fixed.

[dalt]

Thank you for all the suggestions.

Well i have been experimenting trying to make vcd's and svcds. I assume the 2500 setting was with svcd.

I have learnt some settings and played with a lot of the tools mentioned but some still confuse me but i'm trying to learn what i can from the guides. The bitrate mainly but the explanation about vcd's being fixed atleast tells me something new - thanks.

Firstly i made vcds fine using the process mentioned using avi's but then came into probs when using my own dvd rip as the source.
Last night i finally got great results , i tried easy vcd as suggested, then a burn with vcd easy and the result was exellent.
Now that i have done it the (easy way), i will go back like you suggest and play with the settings and tweaks on some of the individual programs and try to learn as much as possible. Not sure what setting i used when using individual programs made my end vcd a bit rough, as where the all in one progs produced a fine vcd.

Also i will try the suggestion (thanks) on how to fix my tmpenc problem while using dvd2svcd.

Cheers!!!

Peter

[dalt]

Just one more question??????????????????????????????????????/

When i convert a dvd and burn to vcd for backup, it takes two disks, but i am noticing that there is still around 200 mbs available on each disk, is it the BITRATE setting that i can adjust that will improve my video quality and use up the remaining space available on the disk.
I assume i can only do this with svcd as vcd is fixed bitrate.
I can't seem to find any guide that can help me with this but im sure there's one somewhere???
What i am looking for is help explainig how to use the full cd and get better video quality????
Also in regards to Bitrateis higher or lower bitrate better quality

I use tmpgenc for encoding!!!!!

[adam]

If you want the smoothest motion in your VCD then you should convert to 23.976fps, NOT 29.97fps. With 29.97fps you literally throw out half of your temporal data. You are losing half of the motion. Of course you must preserve the 23.976fps nature of your source in order to encode at this fps, but this is all covered in the guides.

As already mentioned, VCDs use a fixed (CBR) bitrate with a max of 1150kbits. If you use anything higher than you are not making a compliant VCD, and there is no telling how it will play.

As for SVCD, well you have alot more options. If you keep your video bitrate limited to 2500kbits, then in most cases you should be fine.

The only way to completely fill all cds is to calculate the bitrate before hand. This can only be done (accurately) when encoding in CBR or multipass VBR. Once again, VCDs use a fixed bitrate limited to 1150kbits, so you are going to get about 80 mins of content per 80 min disk. For most movies this means there will be some unused space on each of the two disks. If you want to increase your bitrate than you can do so, but your disk is no longer compliant. As for SVCD, then just use a bitrate calculator. There is a java one in the tools section, or you can download the very accurate FitCD.