New DVD copy protections?

[dafoe]

I'm not complaining about being able to backup my DVDs so easily.

But, am I the only one that's amazed that the movie industry hasn't introduced any more copy protection measures?

Anybody that's capable of clicking thier mouse a few times can backup or even steal a $20 DVD.

Couldn't they introduce stronger/different encrypton or even hardware protections. If people had to modify their DVD players to play copied movies that would certainly curtail the casual copiers.

Clearly, the numbers reported by the movie industry are ridiculously blown out of proportion but they ARE losing some money.

You would think they they would take more productive actions than trying to sue people who dl movies or the people who make DVDX Copy

[spiderman2k1]

The say the copy protection works I do not think they can upgrade it. Then some DVD's might now work on old DVD player's. And even if they did upgrade the copy protection there would be new software coming out to rip the DVD's to the hard drive. There are already problem's with some DVD player's not playing DVD's most of them are old DVD player's. PS2 and Xbox have play back problem's

[bugster]

The exsiting CSS system cannot be upgraded without obsoleting the millions of DVD players already in cosumer homes. The huge consumer backlash this is likley to cause would simply drive consumers into the arms of the pirates who could provide movies that would play on existing equipment. Besides which it would almost certainly be cracked within a few months.

[handyguy]

There is one that causes flashing of the screen now but that seems to be VHS.

"or the people who make DVDX Copy"

No, dvdxcopy SUED them, not the other way around, this is called a preemptive strike.

[indolikaa]

They can try all they want, but (to paraphrase TxPharaoh)...

"If I can see it, I can copy it."

EDIT: I'm sorry. In keeping with forum rules...

"If I can see it, I can back it up."

[dafoe]

[quote="bugster"]The exsiting CSS system cannot be upgraded without obsoleting the millions of DVD players already in cosumer homes. The huge consumer backlash this is likley to cause would simply drive consumers into the arms of the pirates who could provide movies that would play on existing equipment. [quote]

That didn't seem to bother the RIAA. Of course, they may be one of the dumbest groups of people on the planet.

I'll be the first to admit I don't know a thing about ecryption or copy protection but I didn't think encryption had anything to do with the players- just transferring the DVD to a PC.

At any rate, kind of makes you wonder what they've got planned for Blue-Ray protection.

They must be a tad paranoid by now,

[dougry]

One day I read an article at Zeropaid and it read that a judge ruled that the industry cannot prevent us from backing up our own CD/DVD's. So if they can't prevent you, then they will make it as hard as possible..

[thayne]

I'll be the first to admit I don't know a thing about ecryption or copy protection but I didn't think encryption had anything to do with the players- just transferring the DVD to a PC.

The player still has to decrypt the disk before it can play it. If the changed the copy protection your current DVD player would cease to work....

[freestyler]

What they are doing is looking to crack down on warez distribution groups and networks, as well as land based cartels of pirates overseas and domestically - both burner-barns and multi-million dollar replicating facilities. What I find unfair is the jacked up prices of music - movie prices aren't too bad, really.

-Free

[overloaded_ide]

If they make it some-one will crack it!
Proven fact! Look at all the software copy protection schemes that have been used since at least 1988! NOTHING ever worked!

Every time I bought software and was overly harrased with a protection scheme I did two things! One I never bought another program from that companie agian, and 2 I went on a BBS and downloaded either a hack with the protection removed or I got a program that would copy the disk and strip out the protection!

I bought several Seira games like lesure suit larry 1 and 2. Was so ticked over the harrasement when trying to play a game I LEGALLY bought I never bought any of the rest of the series or any of their other games. But I did quickly and easily find hacks (for the games I had bought) that had the protection removed or I could use a software to make a copy with it removed. Same with the old Battlechess game. I bought Battlechess and loved the game, but had to download a hack so I could play the game without having to know who won what chess tournament in russa in 1943 or some off the wall crap!
I got better stuff to do than read a manual trying to find the secret word to start a stupid game! I didn't steal the other games I would have bought, but I didn't buy them either. You really can live with out some things you know, so I kept my money and they kept their games

And that was before there was any such thing as an Internet! Just local BBS's, or sometimes a few connected in a string linked together.

15 yrs later? It still does not work! Any protection scheme costs the company either money to develope it or to buy it from some other companie, and it works for what 3 weeks or a couple months till it is cracked? Even those without computers can copy protected VHS and DVDs with hardware you can buy. I don't know what exactly she has but a friend backed up protected tapes with a tape to tape machine and DVD's to VHS, and she is ignorant as heck and has no computer!
She just got tired of her bratty little kid trashing tapes and disks. Just tossed em to the side to get trashed, never put anything back in the cases left em laying on the floor ect...
So $1,000s worth of disks and tapes being abused and ruined she got fed up and now she backups up everything to tape and the kid never touches the orginals!
And that is a novice, nice person but dumb as a rock!

And what is actually costing movie and record companies money is the professional pirates, and nothing is gonna slow them down for even a week! Most of them probably get copies of masters before the protection is even applied! Can we say inside trading

I don't think anything in this post breaks any rules, just stating the facts on the subject of copy protection of any type, be it software, music CD's, VHS tapes or even DVDs.

[jeex]

Same with the old Battlechess game. I bought Battlechess and loved the game, but had to download a hack so I could play the game without having to know who won what chess tournament in russa in 1943 or some off the wall crap!
I got better stuff to do than read a manual trying to find the secret word to start a stupid game!

holy crap.. i totally forgot about those games that wanted you to find word 6, in sentance 3, in a paragraph 3, on page 14 to start the game (each and every ******* time)..

those were the good old days..

[overloaded_ide]

Yes, and even worse!

Scanners were a small fortune back then and not that great like now, but some poeple had em and one game I BOUGHT I HAD TO find a crack for. They were so stupid as to use a very dark maroon paper with small black text to put lines of garbage you had to type in to start the game and I think it even stopped during the game and forced you to enter another line too. They made it so that I could barely read it at all to make it hard for anyone to scan and hand out as a text file with a copy of the game. I had really good eyes then and I could barely read it! I often got it wrong too! So they actually FORCED me to go out and find a hack just to play the game I bought!

How much money did the companie waist on that crapola????
And of course that was another companie I never bought anything else from! I forget who it was off hand, might have been the Larry game?

[andydd]

How about DVD-Audio. The reason why its launch was delayed was beacuse CSS had been crcaked and that had to come up with a better protection system for it. I do believe that no-one has cracked DVD-Audio's protection yet but im sure as its use becomes more widespread it wont be long.

[overloaded_ide]

What is DVD-Audio?
I'm sure if it is being protected somehow it has been cracked

Is that like a DVD full of music like a CD or something? I really don't know of anything myself other than just Movie DVD's, though I am not always the first to jump into new things.

Close to the last sometimes, but rarely first

[bartman]

What is DVD-Audio?
I'm sure if it is being protected somehow it has been cracked

DVD-Audio was supposed to be the next best bigest thing and was slated to give CD's a run for their money...

There are a number of problems with DVD-Audio though:
1. Most people aren't even taking advantage of CD Audio quality so how the hell are they going to apreciate DVD-Audio
2. Most DVD-Audio discs I've seen also have an AC3 or DTS soundtrack as well as the DVD-Audio soundtrack....this is so people with DVD-Video only players can play them (because in general consumers are idiots and will think "it is DVD....I have a DVD player" despite the fact that you need a DVD-Audio player to play a DVD-Audio disc....sounds simple I know). This means that you can bugger off the DVD-Audio bit and just rip the AC3 or DTS track anyway.
3. there are SFA DVD-Audio discs out there that aren't aimed directly at audiophiles (because they are the only people that really give a hoot....see point one)

[andydd]

DVD-Audio has been around a while. It takes advatntage of a DVDs size to have an improved sound over normal CDs and maybe surround sound (using uncrompressed PCM instead o DVD-Videas compressed Dolby Digital). You need a DVD audio player to play these discs, a normall DVD player wont play em.

[overloaded_ide]

OK I think I see what they are now.

Yea, I would not be interested in them myself either and I 'm sure many people won't be. But if they try to protect it, it will get cracked!

Ya know if you think about it they are actually drawing hackers to thier products this way.

Why did the man climb the mountain, because it was there!
Why do hackers crack protections, because it's there!
Why do people pirate cracked software and disks, to show it was cracked!

Anyway, CDs cost too much in the first place, so would I want to buy a DVD full? And maybe my ears are getting bad, but if the music is good to begin with a cd is good enough for me, normally better than live and I preffer live on stage anyway. Not studio enhanced jusnk that sounds nothing like the real artists.

Ever notice you can make anyone sound like Alvin the Chipmunk if you play with a song enough?