Toast Titanium + Pioneer 106 @ 4x speed = Coasters??

[the future]

I just got the new Pioneer DVR-106 (in a Firewire enclosure from LaCie) and everytime I try to burn a DVD-R at 4x speed I immediately get a coaster with Toast displaying: "Sense Key = ILLEGAL REQUEST; Sense Code = 0x21, 0x02; BUFFER UNDERRUN".

The update info of Toast Titanium says that there WAS a problem with Pioneer drives at 4x speed and buffer underrun which was supposed to be fixed by version 5.2.1 – which I am using. A friend of mine got the same drive and is burning DVD-Rs at 4x speed on his PC without problems, so I guess it must be a Toast issue.

And yes, I did tick the "buffer underrun protection" box in Toast before burning.

Does anyone here experience the same problem? Or maybe someone has an idea on how to fix this?? It would be greatly appreciated as the only reason I got the new drive in the first place was to burn at 4x speed...

[tgpo]

Have to contacted Roxio about this problem??

[the future]

I figured I try here first, but if no-one here can help I will indeed have to contact Roxio.

[tgpo]

Have you tried different media? What media are you using?

[the future]

I tried both Ritek and Princo 4x media. My friend burned the same media from the same batch without problems on his PC.

[ninja86]

Try it at 2x. I got the exact same error last night on the exact same drive. I know I have different media, probably 2x media, but try it with a lower speed.

[tgpo]

Are you able to burn at the slower speeds? Or not at all?

[the future]

tgpo: I'm able to burn DVD-Rs at 2x speed just fine. Also burning CD-Rs at the highest supported speed (16x) works fine.

ninjy86: how could you have the same problem with 2x media? Did you try to burn 2x media at 4x speed?

[galactica]

I tried both Ritek and Princo 4x media

Ritek are decently good disks. Princo are CRAP! id expect this with them. The Ritek though should be ok.

With firewire you can go up to 4x. if it were USB id expect this sort of result, as USB is max 2x.

Why not put the drive in your comptuer?!? Just wondering. then you can use it with iApps and disk copy.


Other suggestion is to try slower speed and see if it works then. Try other brands. Get the apple 4x media for the sake of argument. If those crap out, call Roxio or the place you got the drive and complain its not working.
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[the future]

I would try to install the drive in my computer, but fortunately/unfortunately it is a Powerbook...

As I mentioned, burning at 2x speed works fine, but that I could do with my old drive (104) and having a 4x burner that you can only use at 2x would be quite frustrating.

I checked at Pioneer's website as well and there is a firmware update available (1.06, my drive has 1.05), but it's only available as an .exe file (for PCs) and there is exactly ZERO information about the changes the new firmware brings.

[tgpo]

Just curious, buffer underruns happen because the computer can't get the information to the drive as fast as the drive is burning. 4x DVD Burning is a lot of information to move. How fast is your computer?

[galactica]

that could EASILY be the problem. I thought at first it was cause you had a USB connection, but then i saw firewire.

but your comptuer speed plays an important role in external burners! Slower computers cant shuffle the data around as quickly, and the burner lags, it will lag to the amount of your underrun prevention, but if you lag more than that its going to error.

you could up the buffer if you have the ability.

[the future]

Well, it's a Powerbook G4 867 Mhz with 512 MB of RAM. Could that possibly be too slow?

Galactica, how can I "up the buffer"? I chose the maximum possible "RAM cache" in Toast (64 MB), is that what you mean?

[tgpo]

Hmmmmm......your computer should be plenty fast to burn at 4x....I'm out of ideas man. I say contact Roxio and Pioneer and see if they can offer any additional help.

[the future]

Thanks for trying to help, tgpo!

[tgpo]

Thanks for trying to help, tgpo!

No problem man. I'm gonna keep looking around and if I find any information I'll post it.

[tgpo]

This guy had a similar problem, but got it working.

I put a Pioneer 106 into a Firewire case that has an Oxford 911 bridgeboard. Burning CD-R and CD-RW discs work fine using buffer underrun protection (similar to burn-proof) but I haven't found a way to have that turned-on for burning DVD-R/RW discs.

Made one coaster DVD-R and another bad burn on a DVD-RW. I'm guessing it's b/c I was doing some other things on my iBook/700 when the burn was happening. I did make a successful DVD-R when I just let it burn and didn't run other programs. I'm using the latest version of Toast Titanium and Mac OS 10.2.6

[the future]

Hmm, interesting quote. Actually I did not do anything else with my 'book at the time and the "buffer underrun" happened very quickly, like 10 seconds after clicking the burn button.

[visualthoughts]

Already spoke to Roxio, their solution is 5.2 because 5.1 is not compatible. However, I use to burn with no problem. Only recently have i come across problems. Try new media? Seems to be an intermitten problem.

[galactica]

Already spoke to Roxio, their solution is 5.2 because 5.1 is not compatible. However, I use to burn with no problem. Only recently have i come across problems. Try new media? Seems to be an intermitten problem.

since 5.2 is their current, they will of coarse say UPDATE!
hopefully it fixes the problem

New media could also help. Cheap media is proce to have errors, so go with a good brand for your test.

Apples media or TDK / Imation are good brands

[tgpo]

I still swear by my Verbatim DataLife Plus DVD-Rs

[galactica]

those are excellent also.

I prefer TDK 2x General use ( http://www.tdk.com/recmedia/dvd/index.html ) which you can get almost anywhere!

as such, im sure its either a disk incompatiblity, or your player doesnt support burned dvd's or you burned it incorrectly.

[swd]

just turn off all applications during the time you burn and set the energy saver to never... that should resolve you problem.
don’t do anything during the time you burn!
cia

[chikanakan]

Lacie has a Lite 5.2.2 updater that fixes the problem. Titanium has yet to be updated though.

[BernieR]

I burn these at 4x with pioneer 105 and toast 5.2 on G4 ----- not a single coaster after 40 plus tries!

Name Code Qty Each Options
-------------------------------------------------------------------
PRINCO 4X DVD-R 4.7GB - P-DVD-R-4XP25 1 29.75
Big price drop!!: 4X
PRINCO DVD-R 4.7GB media
- 25 pack

[scarixix]

Jah.... new member.
Same issues : new Lacie Pioneer external burner on
G4 Titanium Powerbook 867 cpu 1 gig o' ram

Upgraded to latest update of Toast Titanium 5.2.1

3 Buffer underruns under OSX ?
One at 19 seconds from completion.. .. weep. ...

Able to burn at 2x or 1x in OS9 however
though like to fix problem if possible.
Toast 6.0 ?
Used Verbatim DVDrs.
Extra info - energy saver to never + did not run any other apps at time.


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Lacie 5.2.2 updates ? link ?

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bonus question - buffer underrun protection box in Toast ?

thanks in advance !

[the future]

It really does seem that Toast 6 is our best/only bet here.

Bonus answer: that's exactly the problem – when using the 106 the "buffer underrun protection" box in Toast Titanium 5.2.1 is not shown prior to burning, thus you can't tick that box, thus there is no buffer underrun protection. When using a 105 (or 104, 103...) Toast *does* show you this box.

[scarixix]

Future .. .

Thanks for reply.
Was wondering about that buffer pro box.
Bit disconcerting acquire new machine only to have failures out of box.
At least - OS9.21 functional workaround for now.
Cheers !

[kamikaze]

I keep telling you guys! I'm using a DVR-105 ( i think, it's the 4x write, 16x CD re-write ) and everything works absolutely fine under OS 10.2

As soon as I update to 10.2.6, I can't burn ANYTHING. NOTHING! As soon as the burn begins, i'll get a buffer underrun message. I've burned a million times under 10.2, but for some reason when i update to 10.2.6, i lose it all.

There's gotta be a compatibility issue, cuz the buffer underrun message pops up IMMEDIATELY after i hit "write disc/session".

We've got to get to the bottom of this! I didn't shell out $800 to have to deal with compatibility issues. Bullshit!

Also, has anyone gotten the external Lacie d2 drives to work with iTunes? It says in the documentation that it works with it, but anytime i go to burn from iTunes it says "burner not found". Bullshit!