How to put 600 hours of mpeg2 on 2 dvd ? :)

[V.T]

Hi,

i'm making a film of 10 hours. I need to release it on dvd. I used mini-dv (bitrate 25Mbps) to shot it. I bought a sony U10A now flashed to 500A, and tryied to put the movie on less than 5 dvd. I seems impossible. (bitrate 3mbps (less is to awfull)).
The cost of 9.4Go dvd-ram is to high.
Can anyone propose me a solution ?
Do you know the price for a professionnal double double 17Go dvd making ?

Help me plz =
Thx

Thibault.

[yf2001usa]

Why not make 2 or 3 dvd's and put them i a set.. If you use the right author software you can even tell people to switch disc.

Greatings,
Yf

[Dennis1968]

the only recordable media i am aware of that is bigger than a 4.7 gig (DVD-5) DVD-R is a 9.4 gig (DVD-10) DVD-R. Have not seen anything that would suggest the industry is allowing recordable on the DVD-9 (9.4 gig )and DVD-18 (17.8) format. Are you using WAV (LPCM), AC3, DTS audio? With the DTS, AAC, AC3 and so farth, you can get an average of 2.5 hours of video on each 4.7 gig side. if you have to use WAV (LPCM), then that reduced the video time to about 90 to 100 minutes per 4.7 gigs.

There is a Commercial option to your project., Authorize to a DVD-9 format (Dual Layer) and have commercial pressed in either a DVD-9 or DVD-18 platter. I hear the only movie that was released in DVD-18 was the initial release of Lonesome Dove (6 hours/ 3 hours per side) and the modern movie Gods and Generals. They say producing a DVD-18 is very costly because of the error rate when the 2 sides are mated together.


Anybody else has a simpler solution?

[i_am_dave]

Thibault,

Since you mentioned 25 fps, I am assuming you are using PAL format at 720x576 resolution.
The most I have ever been able to put on a DVD is about 4 hours. I did this by using the following:

Set resolution to 1/2-D1 (352x576 PAL or 352x480 NTSC)

1) Encode using TMPGEnc CQ mode with minimum bitate of 500 and maximum of 3000, quality factor of 50.

2) Choose Mono for the sound and encode at 96bps, MP2 format.

The quality is not great, but is comparable to VHS.

Other than that, you are generally limited to about 2 hours of DVD quality per disk.

Good luck!

[V.T]

Thanks for those quick answers

No i don't use .wav. I'm authorizing with ReelDvd so i compressed the sound in 256Kbps AC3.
Yes i'm in PAL, because i'm french and this dvd will probably be only european in a first time.
For the moment I can put 2 hours of film by dvd. Wich is not enough. So i'm trying to cut sequence but it's reallllllly hard
I didn't know the dvd10 option....is it possible to burn that with a sony U10A ? And what's the price of the blank dvd ??

Actually i'm trying to find a compagny that could produce the dvd on a dvd-9 or 18, but it's holydays so....

Dave, thank you for your answer, but I really need a higher quality than what you propose

....that's all for the moment ^^

[SatStorm]

In case you use PAL you can also use 1/4 D1!

It is about 6 - 7 hours per disc that way, in real VHS quality (enough for many people...)

I suggest to encode to mpeg 2 interlace @ 352 x 288 (288 PAL vertical lines can be interlace) with an average bitrate of 1150kb/s and mp2 audio 192kb/s (so to be on European DVD standardards). I suggest 2 Pass VBR (or more, is you can use CCE) with 0 minimum, 1150 average and 2300 maximum.

I have made plenty of DVDs that way, from older SxVCDs!

[Dennis1968]

The DVD-10 (9.4 gig) DVD-R are avaible but are limited in where you can buy them. I would try a google.com search for online stores that offer the 9.4 gig blanks. Can you burn a DVD-5 (4.7 gig) DVD-R in your recorder? IF so. the only physical diffrenve bewtween a DVD-5 and a DVD-10 is.


A DVD-5 (4.7) is single sided single layer with a with a 4.5 inch circular area for a label. like a Audio CD, label on one side, recorded data on the other

a DVD-10 (9.4) is dual side single layer. with a 1.5 inch cicular area for the label. like a 7 inch, 10 inch, 12 inch, record (vinyl). single recodrd with 2 playing sides.


Comparison note, the mini series "Steven Speilberg present Taken" (15 hours) is issued in Region 2 PAL on 5 DVDs. Apparently that is 5 - DVD-9 PAL 720x576 AC3 audio at 25fps. It appears that each DVD-9 has 3 hours of video each.

Also The "Roxette All Video Ever Made & More! The Complete Collection 1987-2001" has a running time of 4 hours and 27 minutes. 720x576 PAL with Variable bitrate with a average of 4megs per second with a low of 1 meg to a high of 9.5 meg and AC3 audio

The key here is VBR bitrate. 2 hour (4.7gig) blocks X 5 , or 4 hour block (9.4 gig) X 2 and and 2 hour block (4.7gig) X 1. I can see a distobution of either (5 DVD-5, or 2 DVD-10 and 1 DVD-5, or 2 DVD-9 and 1 DVD-5 or 1 DVD-18 and 1 DVD-5). this sets all depend if you can get a company to press a DVD-18, DVD-10, DVD-9, and DVD-5.

Recordable s there are DVD-5 and DVD-10 for small production and home testing. DVD-9 and DVD-18 are commercial manufactured. You can create a DVD-9 Video on your hardrive but can not burn at yout house or office. you would have to take a data storage devive to the manufacture to be tranfered into a DVD-9 or DVD-18.

I can not beleive i used the 7" single reference, Man that dates me. LOL

[V.T]

I don't know what is 1/4 D1.
But the specs that you propose are also really to low: i tryied to encode my files in 2Mbps and the quality is really awfull, this is impossible under 3 Mbps, maybe because original format is mini-dv 25Mbps....
Mp2 isn't supported by ReelDvd.
I saw on a french website that they can produce 1000 dvd-9 2.50 euros each (same in dollar ) wich is indeed quite cheap. I just hope they can use a dvd as a master.

[V.T]

Well, I searched on google, and i didn't find where to buy dvd-10. Anyway i guess the price of those is very high.... Too bad, that would have be a good solution.

[i_am_dave]

V.T,

The good thing about 1/2-D1 is that there is only half as much information to encode, so you only need 1/2 the bitrate.
At 1/4-D1, you only need 1/4 the bitrate.

So, encoding at 1/4-D1 will yield good results at 2000Mbps, however, since the resolution is lower, you final output on the television might be a little fuzzy.

[V.T]

Thanks for your help
I found a good solution: i phoned to the compagny, and they can make quickly 500 dvd-9 for 2.50 $ each so everything is fine !
The only problem is how to make a master that would be compatible with all dvd players....

[BJ_M]

you really will have to have it mastered onto DLT tape (2 tapes - 1 for each layer) .. if you want a perfect job ..

or burn each layer onto an authoring disk (then you would need an authoring burner - expensive and scsi)

or send you completed project files (just burn your raw edited video as data onto data dvd's or just send the dv edited tapes or better just send a hard drive with all the data) and menu pics and a layout of how you want it to a place where they will encode it properly , and master it to DLT tape for dvd9 (i do this mastering and have the DLT tape machines - many others do also) ..

[V.T]

Thanks.
I guess I'll send my hard drive with everything ready to be mastered. Hopping it won't be too expensive.