DVD-R or DVD+R better compatibility with DVD players?

[tomasine17]

Hello friends! I was wondering if anyone knew the statistics on whether DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs are more compatible with most DVD players nowadays. I am selling a set of video on ebay that I personally authored and need now to burn, and I need to know whether it is better for me to burn to +R or -R. I just want to make sure that the discs work on most people DVD players. I want to select the format that is MOST compatible with any DVD player. Any help is appreciated. Thank you!

[vance43211]

buy which ever one that u want

with the software that out now

and almost all new dvdplayers going to udf 1.05

this is becoming a non issue

please don't ask a question like this as it will start a war on this forum .i seen 20 similar wars get started, most from a innocent question

as everybody that answer u, will tell u that the dvd burner that they have, has better compatibilty

[LanEvo7]

It doesn't matter. All newer players are capable of playing either fine.

[Cornucopia]

Why don't you just post in the Ebay message that you can do either one and will ship whichever the user prefers? That would be the most consumer-friendly way, IMHO.

Scott

[Gil T Pleasure]

tomasine17,

Take a look here and draw your own conclusions.

[version20]

I have sold more than 80 dvd's on ebay to buyers worldwide. All of them have been on +R discs. Of all of these dvd's I have had exactly 2 people ask if I could reauthor the disc to -R for them (which I can, and did).

If you understand statistics at all, you will realise that the whole "-R is n% more compatible than +R" may be true in theory, but is irrelevent.

The reason is, although DVD players have been around for years now, they have only become widely accepted by consumers within the past 2 years at most. DVD-R compatibility on players before that is nifty, but unimportant because you are essentially looking at a very small portion of DVD players actually in homes.

That is, the number of brand X dvd players that can play DVD-R that sold in the year 2000, would be completely dwarfed by the number of brand Y players released in 2001 that would most likely play both formats, simply because of the tremendous growth in consumer acceptance of the DVD format over the course of that year (not to mention brand X would likely have a new 2001 model which supports both formats as well).

So yes, in a lab setting consisting of one each of every DVD player ever made there might be 7% more players capable of DVD-R than of DVD+R in that lab, but in the real world you might find within a given population that 10 people own that brand X year 2000 model, while 5000 own the brand X or Y year 2001 model.

-v20

[vance43211]

Well Put

[kernal_panic]

let me put it to you this way: my dvd player klh 200 i bought in nove 2000 wouldn't play dvd+rs. that unit cost me $100 back then. i replaced it with an apex ad-1110w that AFTER TAX was $49.69. i'm watching a back up of Below on it right now. its got 2x the number of features my old unit had.

for what a dvd+r drive costs these days you can afford to buy a new dvd player too.

[Faustus]

All other apsect of the "format war" aside both seem to have pretty good compatibility these days. Either pick one and there is a 50/50 chance your right and saved some cash. Or spend more and get a dual format burner and thus hedge your bets. Either way is perfectly fine for now, and likely for quite some time to come.

[jeroenskie]

maybe my next question is answerd for a milion time but can't seem to find it.
besides the fact that The + or - is less or more accepted by dvd players,there is a question that is really important for me .
Is there a differnce in quality of the 2 ? will the + give a better picture then the - OR vica versa????

Hope someone knows and has the patiens to tell the story for the 100000000000 's time

kind regards jeroenskie

(you quest it," A newbie ")

[vance43211]

no difference in quality

[jeroenskie]

Thank's for the reply!
Do you also know what would be the best possible
dvdr wich i can buy ????

hope to hear ,kind regards jeroen

[Bob W]

I think most of the newer players will play both formats.

[galactica]

Hello friends! I was wondering if anyone knew the statistics on whether DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs are more compatible with most DVD players nowadays. I am selling a set of video on ebay that I personally authored and need now to burn, and I need to know whether it is better for me to burn to +R or -R. I just want to make sure that the discs work on most people DVD players. I want to select the format that is MOST compatible with any DVD player. Any help is appreciated. Thank you!

As seen, its really no differnet with the +/- dvd's you choose

however, may i suggest that you include a blank AUDIO_TS folder if you are not already planning on it.
Some players require this folder, others dont. If they dont, it just glosses over the folder. If it does, it will work.

Therefore, you should include it just incase (to increase compatibility with all players)

[Sam Ontario]

I think most of the newer players will play both formats.

I tested Norcent DP300 and DP215, they play both -R and +R OK and then I tested Electrohome EH8168 and EH8191, the same DVDs were played, only (-R?) will be played and the (+R?) is not recognisable. Sorry that I could not distinguish which is which on the DVD disks. These DVD players are either manufactured late last year or early this year.

[tompika]

With all due respect to the excellent compatibility of the DVD-R format over against the plain DVD+R , I think the DVD+R(W) written as DVD-ROM is the clear winner.

I have tested lots of settop players with DVD+R(W) burned that way, none refused to play them.

When it comes to compatibility I choose that.
If the price is the issue go buy DVD-R in bulk online.

Fortunately the standalone DVD recorders and several DVD+R(W) write the DVD+R as DVD-ROM by default.
As long as the dual drives can`t do it I won`t buy them.

[Cornucopia]

tompika,
I really don't dis-believe you, but if you actually want people from both camps to take your anecdotes with an air of authority, you're gonna have to do better than "lots" or "most". Your "clear" winner doesn't come across quite so clear without alot of hard numbers.
I would really love to see another exhaustive, scientific test of both format and media brand compatibility tests along the lines of last year's DV mag test. This, BTW, is the only one that I would base any decisions upon. But even that is flawed because it's old enough now to not include +R, higher speed media, and multiformat burners.
Maybe DVDRHELP could convince a bunch of the corporations to donate some of their burners, media, software, and players... 8)
Anybody?

Scott

[tompika]

Cornucopia
I respect the knowledge of you guys.
I `ve read your post about it (the long one in one of the format wars) -I found it very interesting - and Baldrick`s "No burned disc will play in every player, some players just not capable to do so".

Since my capabilities are limited too (time, money,...) I cant test all of them.
I was going to start a thread something like "Post your bitsetting experiences here" or " Tompika`s little compatibility list" so I could see more clearly. But some of those guys would turn it into format war for sure which I don`t want to start.

What can we do now? I`ve heard about players don`t play minus I`ve heard about players dont play plus some play none but I`ve never heard about "....my damn player doesnt play even applying the compatibility bitsetting..."
I know I will have have to do better than this but I can say I`m still hunting for a player not capable to play my discs.
I would appreciate any firsthandexperience regarding this issue

[-jsl-]

I would really love to see another exhaustive, scientific test of both format and media brand compatibility tests along the lines of last year's DV mag test. This, BTW, is the only one that I would base any decisions upon. But even that is flawed because it's old enough now to not include +R, higher speed media, and multiformat burners.

DV Magazine has made a new test this year but the online version of the article is not so comprehensive this time (ie not listing different brands etc.):
http://www.dv.com/print_me.jhtml;?LookupId=/xml/feature/2003/labarge0603

[tompika]

I would really love to see another exhaustive, scientific test of both format and media brand compatibility tests along the lines of last year's DV mag test. This, BTW, is the only one that I would base any decisions upon. But even that is flawed because it's old enough now to not include +R, higher speed media, and multiformat burners.

DV Magazine has made a new test this year but the online version of the article is not so comprehensive this time (ie not listing different brands etc.):
http://www.dv.com/print_me.jhtml;?LookupId=/xml/feature/2003/labarge0603

I think Cornucopia was referring to my statement that claims the superiority of bitsetting over other methods
The site above does not mention testing that way

[Metaluna]

Fortunately the standalone DVD recorders and several DVD+R(W) write the DVD+R as DVD-ROM by default.
As long as the dual drives can`t do it I won`t buy them.

I could be wrong but I think the NEC drives do this. Sony refuses to implement this feature on their dual drives . I wonder what Pioneer does?

[binks120]

now see what yove done the flames are high again look dudes do what works for you the % of players that dont play both is so small that if you have one buy a new very cheap player that will
ps if you live in the uk pm me ill send u a +r to check if it works in your player if you like (will my wedding video do lol)
ooops nearly forgot (here comes second flame war) Dont use nero to burn your VIDEO_TS folder use imgtool burn it has 100% compatibility

[tompika]

now see what yove done the flames are high again look dudes do what works for you the % of players that dont play both is so small that if you have one buy a new very cheap player that will
ps if you live in the uk pm me ill send u a +r to check if it works in your player if you like (will my wedding video do lol)
ooops nearly forgot (here comes second flame war) Dont use nero to burn your VIDEO_TS folder use imgtool burn it has 100% compatibility

Dear binks120 (not dude!)
I`m sure you don`t pay attention when reading my posts in this thread.
Try again.
We didn`t even talk about what you just did.
There is no flame here, Cornucopia, -jsl-, Metaluna,... are not that kind of guys.
Read again all the posts here: we talk friendly with each other
You are the only one here who talk rubbish.
Anyone else see flames here?

[Cornucopia]

Actually tompika, I was originally talking about just + or - compatibility. But you do have a good point. The bitsetting might be an important variable in compatibility comparison testing. Oh well, back to the drawing board...

Scott

[tompika]

But you do have a good point. The bitsetting might be an important variable in compatibility comparison testing.

Thanks for the confirmation that there are some people here who see the BIG PICTURE.

I started to think those "dudes" took command here.
You see that`s why I`m afraid to start a thread about it, someone would screw it up immediately without thinking first

[binks120]

Actually tompika, I was originally talking about just + or - compatibility.

Scott

ok i got it half right but it was a joke sorry if i offended you but hey let it lie
plus i did confirm what you sain anyway as nero and imgtool burn do burn the bitsetting different i think thats why ingtool has the greater compatibility
again sorry du.. oops m8 trust me i dont slate peeps for any posts made as not many peeps no everthing bout all this and certailny dont

[tompika]

All right, I already forgot it.

The situation is this
I`ve never used IMGTool, I hardly ever use Nero to burn so can`t really compare them.

If the original DVD is single layer I do ISO writing with DVD Decrypter
If double I use DVD Shrink or DVD2one and burn with RecordNow Max.
I always put an empty AUDIO_TS folder just in case.
My drive is set to write as DVD-ROM (by DVDBitsetter), I don`t need to apply again because it keeps the settings until I change it again.
My copies are made that way.

I always carry some of them in my nootebook case and when I get the chance I try to play them on standalones in different stores or at my buddies places.
So far I got 100% success rate (even players that wouldn`t play any recordable DVD before) that`s why I`d like to learn about other guys` experiences that make copies the SAME WAY I do.

If we could discuss this matter without killing each other......