filters in VDub (converting VHS to DVD)

[downer]

Does use a standard set of filters all the time when converting VHS tapes to DVD?

I am using a Canopus ADVC-50. And seems like it works great but I am sure i could clean up some of videos a little better. I was just curious if there is a filter or filters people use all the time from VHS transfers, kinda like a standard. Obviously some tapes are worse then others and filters are more needed in specific cases. But I was just wondering in general if anyone always uses a specific filter and what the settings might be?

Thanks in advance.

[Tommyknocker]

If you are TMPGEnc savvy, go here.

If you are AviSynth savvy, go here.

[downer]

Unfortunately I use Canopus' Procoder. I was looking to do the filters in VDub first then convert the avi to mpeg2 with Procoder.

Thanks for the reply.

[DJRumpy]

For VirtualDub, use a good Temporal , Spatial, or 2-d filter. They will remove alot of the analog noise common on VHS captures. Search GOOGLE for them. They can be found all over the web. You can also find some starting links here:

http://shelob.mordor.net/dgraft/

[downer]

Thanks. Will the default settings for these filters be sufficient or do I have to do a lot of playing around?

[DJRumpy]

The defaults are usually a good staring place. You should always experiment. Just select a small range out of your avi (a few minutes at most), and try the filters to see how it looks. Since your filters are involving noise, you should be able to just pause the preview, and examine the input/output preview pane to see what affect the filter has.

[chaseru]

Thanks. Will the default settings for these filters be sufficient or do I have to do a lot of playing around?

Many of the filters made for virtualdub were designed for cartoons, specifically Anime, so if you're using them for live video you may need to tone them down, otherwise everyone in the video will look like they have cake makeup on.

I used Jim Casaburi's Optimized 2D cleaner and Temporal Cleaner when I transfered my VHS collection of movies to DVD and it worked great.

Keep in mind that 2D filters can effectively deinterlace video if you don't indicate to the filter that your source is interlaced and you want to keep it that way. Some less advanced 2D filters don't have a provision to retain interlaced video so be careful.

[DJRumpy]

You should be safe on Donald Graft's site. He would never place an anime filter online without labeling it as such. Most filters designed for VirtualDub do all sorts of things, unrelated to Anime/High Contrast material. I'm not sure where you got that idea.

[chaseru]

Most filters designed for VirtualDub do all sorts of things, unrelated to Anime/High Contrast material. I'm not sure where you got that idea.

I recognize that most vdub filters can be used for a variety of video, however my experienced has been that the default settings of many of these filters appeared to be setup for high contrast material and too strong for live action video.

[BJ_M]

this pack contains most all filters you would need (i find the VHS Filter by flaXen to be very good)

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/Files/AdvancedAVS1_00.exe

Avisynth Filters:

2D Cleaner YUY2
Chroma Noise Reducer 2
Convolution3D
Dup (duplicate frame detector)
Msharpen (sharpener with edge-detection)
Msmooth 1.0b2 (spatial smoother with edge-masking RGB only)
Msoften beta1 (experimental spatial smoother by MarcFD)
SmoothHiQ (YUY2 version of smart smoother)
SmoothDeinterlacer for Avisynth (YUY2 and RGB modes)
ST Median Filter (spacial/temporal median filter)
UnFilter
Warpsharp YUY2 (included in the 'extra' folder as it crashes the Avisynth 2.06 autoloading facility)

Virtualdub Filters (RGB mode only):


2D Cleaner (RGB) optimised versions
Colorize
Area-based Deinterlacer
VHS Filter by flaXen
Hue/Saturation (RGB mode use tweak for YUY2)
RGB Adjust
Smart Deinterlacer (use FieldDeinterlace in decomb for YUY2)
Smart Smoother IQ by Tim Park
Smart Smoother HiQ
Subtitler
Unsharp
Warpsharp
Xsharpen

[Metaluna]

I've noticed that a lot of the more interesting AVISynth filters still require the old version 2.0x. I'm currently on 2.52 but is there any reason not to use 2.0x if you don't use YV12?

[downer]

is anyone using filters on DV AVI's? Was just wondering what type of compression to use.

thanks.

[BJ_M]

is anyone using filters on DV AVI's? Was just wondering what type of compression to use.

thanks.

compression ?

as to what filters - depends on the source was (camera, vhs , etc.) and the quality of the transcoder and a couple other factors ..

[downer]

hmm.. source is always VHS. Not to sure what you mean by transcoder.
I am just curious is i have a DV AVI as an output file and want to run the filter I see a menu on the toolbar for compression, just wondering which one is the best.

hope that makes sense.

thanks.