What is the Life Expectency?

[tgpo]

What is the Life Expectency of a Verbatim DataLifePlus DVD-R 2x for general Use? Can I expect it to out last me if proper taken care of, or after a year will I start seeing signs that it is starting to die on me?

[LanEvo7]

If its from Verbatim it should be good media. They manufacture very high quality media and they claim that it will take 100 years before it degrades. Recently though I there has been some news that Verbatim discs were actually CMC. My CMC CD-Rs had some degradtion problems, so I just stay away from anything they make.

[tgpo]

Yeah I read that too, but I was told that if it is the Datalife plus that it is not CMC

[LanEvo7]

Just buy a small qualtitiy and use DVDinfo to check if its CMC.

[Erwin]

I am curious. How do you know if it CMC? I heard someone say that it depends on if the bundle says "Verbatim Datalife" or "Verbatim Datalife Plus". Strange thing is, is that I bought a 15PK for $34 at Office Depot and the casing on the bundle says "Verbatim Datalife" and the DVD-R on the top looks like the ones that I have been using plus it says "Verbatim Datalife Plus". The cake box insert also looks much different than mine and it doesn't mention their "Metal ALzo" like the other 6 that I have purchase in the past.

[peeps]

In response to erwin's post...that's exactly right....the box label will say datlife ,but the actual cd says datalifeplus. These are the cmc's..i know this..,because i'm the dumbass that fell for the swap scam..

Because of this..i will never buy from verbatim again.

it's beall time.....for me

p.s. the box will say made in taiwan....that should give it away

[tgpo]

Just buy a small qualtitiy and use DVDinfo to check if its CMC.

Think there is a mac version?

From what I've heard if it doesn't mention the Metal Azo Layer then it is CMC

[zzyzzx]

I've had several Verbatium CD-R's, including the datalife ones go bad. I just don't trust them.

[vitualis]

But, were they DataLife PLUS -- i.e., they use the Metal Azo dye formulation created by Mitsubishi Chemicals (which owns the Verbatim name).

Verbatime "DataLife" discs are just cheap third party OEMs.

Regards.

[LanEvo7]

Hmmm, macs.....

Well there is an easier way. Not sure if it works for Verbatim, but it worked for Memorex(some were taiyo yudens, others were CMC). You don't even have to open the package to find out.

If its Verbatim, then its made by Mitsubishi Chemicals. Mitsubishi Chemical's plant is in Japan.
If its CMC, there plants are in Taiwan.

Thus concludes if its made in Japan, its Verbatim, if its made in Taiwan, its CMC. Look at where it is manufactured.

[tgpo]

Then those are conflicting statements. My disks are Verbatim Datalife Plus. On the website they tell about how my disks have the special layer of protection. It also says that it was manufactured by Mitsubishi Chemicals. But if I remember corectly it said made in Taiwan.

[vitualis]

With Verbatims, it is relatively easy. Look for the word "Plus" and "Metal-Azo".

Verbatim DataLife Plus are all very good quality discs and were once upon a time distinguished by the very dark blue colour of the dye (the newer higher speed CD-R discs aren't quite as dark and I personally haven't seen a DVD-R Verbatim disc).

Verbatim Datalife discs capitalises on the good Verbatim name but are no better than the average cheapo disc you can get anywhere. As far as I know, Verbatim Datalife discs don't use a blue coloured dye.

Regards.

[TBoneit]

I Just put my Verbatim Datalife Plus DVD+R 2.4X in and dvdinof'd one and it shows

Media Information
Media code/Mfr ID RICOHJPNR00
Book Type DVD+R
Media type DVD+R
Loaded Media Speed 2.4x 3324KBps
Write Rotation Control CLV
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
No of Layers 1

Then I put in a Fuji DVD+r 2.4x and DVDInfo'd it and it shows

Media Information
Media code/Mfr ID RICOHJPNR00
Book Type DVD+R
Media type DVD+R
Loaded Media Speed 2.4x 3324KBps
Write Rotation Control CLV
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
No of Layers 1

Now I'm confused!

And a Sony DVD+RW shows me
Media Information
Media code/Mfr ID RICOHJPNW01
Book Type DVD+RW
Media type DVD+RW
Loaded Media Speed 2.4x 3324KBps
Write Rotation Control CLV
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
No of Layers 1


And a Memorex +R shows
Media Information
Media code/Mfr ID RICOHJPNR00
Book Type DVD+R
Media type DVD+R
Loaded Media Speed 2.4x 3324KBps
Write Rotation Control CLV
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
No of Layers 1

And a Aterra DVD-R 1X shows
Media Information
Media code/Mfr ID PRINCO
Book Type DVD-R
Media type DVD-R V2.0
Loaded Media Speed 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Rotation Control CLV
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
No of Layers 1


Any Ideas ? Could the others all be made by Ricoh? Is it that they are +R disks ??

Stray thoughts?

Cheers
Roger

[TBoneit]

As an addendum a Maxell DVD-RW shows
Media Information
Media code/Mfr ID JVC/Victor
Book Type DVD-RW
Media type DVD-RW V1.0
Loaded Media Speed 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Rotation Control CLV
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
No of Layers 1

Note: The Disk Itself says Ver 1.1 above says V1.0???

What the heck

[tgpo]

The bottom of the Verbatim Datalife Plus DVD-R disks are a dark navy, almost a purple color.

[vric]

just have the same question, but for ritek g03 media ? how long they should last in a DVD case in good weather condition ?

thanks

[LanEvo7]

I guess I am wrong on the Vebatim part, but it does work for Memorex.

[VR-HOS]

I don't know how to distinguish between Mitsubish Chemical made and CMC made media... I only found those with DataLife Plus media but got two packaging... One is in Blueand the other is Purple

Not sure if they are made by which company

[meelis]

I´ve just got a box of Verbatim DatalifePlus 48x CD-R´s
Metal AZO. CRystal coating & so on.
But guess what - label on the box and on the disc itself says:
Made in India!?!?
Only Indian disc manufacturer I know is Moser Baer
Is it possible that Verbatim uses also OEM from Moser Baer or
Do they have theyr own plant there?

[Manno]

Please explain CMC or point me to links with more information please.

Thanks

[TerminalVeloCD]

G'day all,

Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation has factories in the following countries: Japan, Singapore, Taiwan (at CMC), India (at Moser Baer), Ireland (at the old Kodak plant), and Mexico (at the old Kodak plant).

You'll see Verbatim DatalifePlus discs coming from any of these plants. The dead giveaway for non-Mitsubishi discs is a lack of the word "Azo" on the packaging.

TerminalVeloCD

[cykosis]

DOH! As I read through this post, all I can help thinking is how Verbatim screwed me. Bastard CMC disks...

[gmatov]

I really can't understand the confusion on this page. Everyone seems to think that if they buy "X" media, they have bought the "best". Inconcievable that Company "A", who don't make media, could possibly contract for the cheapest subcontractor who bid on the next 100 million CDs or DVDs.
I just recently opened the second spindle of Optimum disks which I bought at the same time, at the same price, from the same store, with the same rebate. The first stack burned, unfailingly, at 48X. The second burned at 32, 48 not an option. Infotool says both are identical. Another site, dedicated to CD, and maybe DVD, too, says that the pressers buy a glass master, press the substrate, put their own dye on it, and sell it as "X". It doesn't work like "X". They made a milli-pennychange in dye or something, and you guys say "This is the only brand to buy!"
I'm gonna have to see some consistent results from the same branded media before I start buying the "ONLY" medfia that is any good.
Until then, price is the arbiter.
And, believe me, it ain't gonna last a hundred years, maybe 7, if we're lucky.

[vitualis]

The point is, not many manufacturers make their own media any more. The last two bastions were Eastman Kodak and Verbatim.

Unless I'm mistaken, Kodak is no longer making it's own media...

That leaves Verbatim. If you buy Verbatim DataLife Plus CD-R discs, they are guaranteed to be made by Verbatim using the Verbatim method (i.e., the Metal-Azo discs). These discs have been (and hopefully will always be) excellent and reliable quality.

Verbatim has recently (actually, not so recently) sneakily introduced a cheaper range of products under the "Verbatim Datalife" moniker (note the lack of plus). These are just your regular cheapies.

Regards.

[sidewinder33625]

I have Verbatim Datalife PLUS -Rs and they are made in Taiwan with TAIYOY media info indicating Taiyo Yuden. What gives? From what I can tell no one has any proof on who makes what.

[sidewinder33625]

Verbatim has recently (actually, not so recently) sneakily introduced a cheaper range of products under the "Verbatim Datalife" moniker (note the lack of plus). These are just your regular cheapies.

Regards.

And where may I ask do you get this info? Heck, for all we know, they could have gotten rid of the PLUS so that joe consumer don't confuse it with a +R.

[defense]

I think these arguements can go on forever. I for one can say that months ago I purchased all types of media and did many tests and comparisons. Verbatim DVD+R's had some issues, while ZERO of the DVD-R's had them. All of these Verbatim disks were DVD-R's burned at 2x. And all showed a manufacturer ID of CMC. The ones I just purchased look EXACTLY the same...they BOTH SAY DATALIFE PLUS and I expect that the Mitsu disks will burn just as flawlessly as the CMC corp disks....especially since "apparently" the CMC are not as high a quality.

I say it's all test and test some more...find out what is best for yourself....I will be purchasing more ACCU's...but since there price is now $1, and there disks are BEST SELLERS....I figured for about the same price, i'd snatch 4 spindles of the Verbatims...for that price...what the hell..right?

And just to clear something else up...all this talk about 100 years this and that is all pure garbage. Noone has tested any of these disks for 100 years...so be real.....and if you do a SEARCH ON THE NET...you'll see the format itself..."DVD-R" is what is apparently guaranteed for 100 years....as far as i'm concerned...only time will tell...but in the six months I've had my ACCU's. Maxell, TDK, and VERBATIM...all of them still play flawlessly! YES...I did spend countless hours checking each one of them for shits and giggles the other day!

[The village idiot]

Slightly OT but...

I'm gonna have to see some consistent results from the same branded media before I start buying the "ONLY" medfia that is any good.
Until then, price is the arbiter.

I've burned hundreds of CD-R's from Digital Research with ZERO disc defects over the last several years. The only coasters I made were from my mistakes! Can't say the same for Maxell, I've had there cool colors disks fade in less than a week, in cool conditions, in the dark (stored in a drawer).

[gmatov]

Idiot,
OK, they faded, no longer cool. ( I've never bought them because I liked a particular shade of puce, but...)
Do they stilll read? If they do, why worry about the color. I don't color coordinate my disks.

[sidewinder33625]

Verbatim has recently (actually, not so recently) sneakily introduced a cheaper range of products under the "Verbatim Datalife" moniker (note the lack of plus). These are just your regular cheapies.

Regards.

Oh yeah? Prove it! I don't know where people come up with this stuff. These uninformed statements purported to be fact are how crazy rumors get started on the internet. This statement has no basis on fact or testing. A moderator of all people should use prudent judgement when posting.