28 days later

[ryan2822001]

Hi all,please help.
I have d/l 28 days later in avi format.When i try to play in media player it requests a codec but there is an error d/l it.I check the codec by using the prog gspot and that says its xvid codec.I found xvid and installed it.It plays but the picture is very strange as in thelight is very bright and the dark is too dark and the picture is all hazy??.I am trying to convert the avi to mpeg with tmpgenc and that says the format is unsuported.What can i do next?Please help,Ryan.

[FulciLives]

Normally I don't do this but ...

What you are doing is considered WAREZ as in PIRACY as in ILLEGAL

NEVER talk about such things here. You will just make far too many enemies and/or get kicked off.

There is an official UK DVD release of the movie but it hasn't been released in the USA yet. So other than owning the UK DVD release ... well ... you obviously don't have a legal "copy" of the movie ... especially since you were DUMB enough to say you downloaded it.

Like DUH

Double DUH

TRIPLE DUH DUH DUH

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[musher70]

Now there's a real question,
If you paid for something,
do you really own it?
Cause one can buy "dvd's" of that
movie on ebay, even though they
dont live in the uk, there are lots
of ntsc version of that movie there...

just a thought....

[Craig Tucker]

This has been talked about before in the moderators forum, and if this movie was not on general release then it would be definately considered as a breach of the forum rules.

However this movie is on general release and who is to say that an individual who has downloaded it does not have the rights to a copy, i.e. they have already purchased a legitimate version.

I know that this is extremely unlikely but we are not here to judge. A hypothetical situation could arise that an individual owns a copy of a movie but does not have the hardware or knowledge necessary to make a backup which they are entitled to do. Downloading a copy to make a backup would be an alternative.

Discussion of downloading movies that are not commercially available is a breach of forum rules and action would be taken, but the stance of this site at this moment in time is that there is nothing wrong with discussing downloading a movie that is commercially available.

[FulciLives]

Now there's a real question,
If you paid for something,
do you really own it?
Cause one can buy "dvd's" of that
movie on ebay, even though they
dont live in the uk, there are lots
of ntsc version of that movie there...

just a thought....

Yes there are bootleg NTSC discs out there and from one site I know about it appears to have been created from the UK PAL DVD release.

My only point was this ... there is an official PAL DVD release (which I happen to have) but no official NTSC release.

Either way the user admitted to downloading it tsk tsk

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[pablo180]

I used to download films all the time off the net but I soon learned that apart from the time that it took to download them there were loads more balls ache's to follow.

You can watch it on your PC but what's the point so you have to convert it to get it play on your DVD player. That is a nightmare on it's own, sometimes it works fine other times it takes takes bloody hours of fannying around and it doesn't always work . You have a crap quality film anyway and converting it to VCD makes it shit. To SVCD makes it bearable, DVD too expensive to waste on a shit quality film anyway. So after hours of downloading and converting and finally getting to watch it with your mates you realise that it is really poor quality and not worth all the effort.

If time is money it is much cheaper to buy and you can get it to your door for less than £13 from here
http://www.playserver1.com/play247.asp?page=search&adudisc=y

Or rent it.

The only thing that I download now is porn. But there will always be those people that will watch a dark, poor quality copy for free than pay for an original.

I do back up DVD's though but I'm pretty sure that it's illegal in the UK but then again so is making a cassette copy of a CD for your car.

[Craig Tucker]

but then again so is making a cassette copy of a CD for your car.

So is recording off the radio, so most of the population of the UK have broken the law at some time. Unfortunately there are some laws that are an ass and as such completely unenforceable.

[AarontheRipper]

So what about recording from a TV? Is that illegal, too?

[dvdnew]

So what about recording from a TV? Is that illegal, too?

Only if you skip commercials

[birdygal]

So what about recording from a TV? Is that illegal, too?


I can't see where it would be from regular free chanels , billions of vcr's were sold with the main concept of recording at tv show you were not at home to watch or recording one channel while watching another

Commercials pay for our free viewing, The companies probably love it they get extra exposure

[Craig Tucker]

So what about recording from a TV? Is that illegal, too?

I think legally you are only supposed to keep a recording off the TV for 2 weeks, you are then supposed to erase it. Just something I heard, so don't quote me.

No such thing as free viewing in the UK, we have a wonderfull thing called a TV license.

[Hardcoreruss]

So what about recording from a TV? Is that illegal, too?

I think legally you are only supposed to keep a recording off the TV for 2 weeks, you are then supposed to erase it. Just something I heard, so don't quote me.

No such thing as free viewing in the UK, we have a wonderfull thing called a TV license.

I have read the same as you I think the peiod is two weeks, it is apparently the same for songs you have taped off the radio.

[Jukka]

That 2 week rule is a new one on me (UK).

Also I didn't think it was illegal to copy a cd onto tape (or cd) for use in your car as long as you keep the original and don't sell/give it away. Isn't that the 'fair use' policy that I've heard about - or is that just the USA?

Also Sky+ doesn't seem to enforce the 2 week rule in any of the material I've seen, in fact one of its marketing messages is that you can use it to record a whole TV series!

[SLIGHTY OFFTOPIC] M$ used to have a similar policy with office in that you could install it on 2 machines as long as you weren't using both at the same time, i.e. you had a laptop and a desktop. I also read somewhere that they were thinking of bringing that back.

[Craig Tucker]

Also Sky+ doesn't seem to enforce the 2 week rule in any of the material I've seen.

As far as I know no-one enforces the 2 week rule, same as no-one enforces the recording from radio, basically because it is unenforcable. There are many silly laws that are unenforceable, it does not mean they do not exist though.

[Lasher_uk]

Hi I'm a pirate come and get me..............

What a muppet.

Still the SLD codec seems to solve most probs 4 me.

Lasher

[yongkuk]

You are the muppet son. When 100 people buy your music and 50,000 people download it record shops, film companies will start to go under. People will stop making music and film. 'Andy's Records' is one example of your attitude, and there will be more to follow.

[Lasher_uk]

You one lunger, i was beig fececious with regard to the original post ie: He clearly admits his piracy if through misguided comments.

I did not mean i was a pirate, although i always wanted to sail the seas.

Hope that clears it up 4 u.

Lasher

[edsmith77]

Craig,
If not mistaken, isnt the UK TV license fee for each TV set and its connection to an aerial / cable. ???

Ed

[pablo180]

If you mean do you have to have a licence for every TV that you have then no.

You only need one TV license for each address, for instance if you have SKY, normal aerial and four portables all at your house you still only need one licence.

You also only need one licence if you live in shared accomodation as long as there is a TV in the communal room. If not you have to have a separate licence for each person.

As for the piracy issue there has been many investigations into the Internet and downloading copyrighted stuff. Much as the big industries cry there is still NO clear evidence that it is harming sales. For instance last year (or maybe it was the year before) CD sales in the UK actually went up for the first time in over a decade! The only country in the world where they did!

DVD sales are still increasing rapidly in almost every country in the West, cinema tickets sales are also increasing.

[Craig Tucker]

Craig,
If not mistaken, isnt the UK TV license fee for each TV set and its connection to an aerial / cable. ???

Ed

As pablo has said it is 1 TV license per residence not per set, and the licence is to pay for the BBC's programming only. Other networks use advertising to fund their programming so that is one good thing about the BBC, no adverts. However you have to pay for a licence regardless of whether you watch BBC or not so it is effectively a licence for the privelige of owning a TV set rather than for BBC's programming. Can you get the BBC via satelite in the states, if so perhaps you should be paying for a license also

[Jukka]

In reply to many:

Craig - agreed, many laws in the UK are silly, BUT if there was such a law that recordings could only be kept for 2 weeks don't you think that governments would try to impose it on HD recorders (same as all VCRs must have auto-gain installed so that Macrovision works)?

Others - as for the TV licence, as I understand it, it is per residence and must be bought for all equipment that can receive BBC TV - TV, VCR, SKY Box, etc. Also somewhere I heard it was limited to 6 devices - although this may have changed AND also that when you buy a TV the shop that sells it has a duty to report your address to the government so they can check you have a licence (again this may have changed), no licence = detector van visit!

The discussion as to whether downloading kills the music / film industry will run and run and is offtopic here. Baldrick / Other Moderators could we start a topic, not to advocate d/l but to discuss the (supposed) effects (or not) on the industry or would that be against the rules?

[andkiich]

I can get BBC America here in the states through DirecTV. I'm guessing that DirecTV would pay whatever fee is necessary. I pay them enough.

[sammie]

Raises an intersting question. I really wanted to see a recent A&E movie that was shown in the UK, Australia, etc, but won't be shown here in the states until maybe this fall. I thought about asking if someone would have a tape so I could practice PAL to NTSC conversions, but decided that would probably violate the rules. Would copying a readily available tv program from the UK be a violation. Keep in mind it will be on basic cable/satellite here in the US in a few months????

[Jukka]

sammie: probably not, most of the time the industry seems concerned with what will cost them money, therefore taping a TV episode is unlikely to be a major concern since most of them are never released for sale, although probably still a technical breach of copyright.

Now there's an interesting question - if you copy / acquire / download something that is no longer on general release you cannot be depriving the industry of money. Therefore: Is it wrong? Is it illegal? - makes you think doesn't it.

[Jukka]

And as a follow up to that, is it wrong / illegal to acquire / download a copy of something you already own?

What if I have a video of a film, but download a DivX / VCD version of it to play on my DVD player, still keep the video (and the video player) is that illegal?

Offtopic I know - can we get a thread going?

[lpn1160]

If some content (radio,TV, CD music available on Internet radio) NOT P2P, is beamed into my home, that is paid for by me in some way, TV license, ISP fees, radio, then I have every right with the technology available, (that I paid for) to copy it and view/listen to at my leisure when I deem fit. As long as I am not Re-selling it to make a profit.
Case f**king closed!!!

[pablo180]

Like Craig has said there is a law where you can only keep a recording off either TV or radio for a limited amount of time (two weeks sounds about right). Just because the BBC or ITV show a film such as Aliens doesn't give you the right to tape it and have a permanent copy, although many people do.

The reason that it is not heavily enforced is because it is almost unenforceable and also because the film industry doesn’t make a big thing out of it. They realise that by the time that it is shown on TV anyone that was going to go see it, rent it or buy would have already done so as it takes years to be shown on TV. Also the TV version is likely to be cut have adverts in and not as good quality as a bought version.

As Jukka pointed out though the technology is there these days to enforce these stupid laws, maybe in the crack down on piracy going on at the moment they will enforce them.

As for the debate about downloading something that you already own or that is no longer available both are still illegal. Downloading another copy would still mean you have one legal copy and one pirate copy. If you want a song that is no longer available and the record industry has no plans to re-release it, tough. That is how they see it. They still own it. Stupid as it is. I do believe though in those circumstances it should be legal to download a copy.

The issue isn’t clear cut, there are those in the music industry that believe that P2P is breathing new life into the flagging music industry by promoting artists and their material. I know many people that before forking out £15 on an album will download a few songs first just to see if it is any good then go buy the album. They say that unless they were sure the album was good they wouldn’t have chanced it.

I agree with Jukka there should be a thread on this. It’s a complicated area legally and morally. Many people may not be aware of all sides of the argument.

[Craig Tucker]

Offtopic I know - can we get a thread going?

Jukka, iif you want to start a thread on this topic then you are welcome to do so. You will not be breaking any forum rules as long as no-one endorses or encourages piracy.