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  1. Just found this http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/dvhs/index.html Called D-VHS and they are working on HD-VHS you can already buy the D-VHS here in USA, but blank tapes are 20bucks, and I thought DVD-RAM,-R,+RW+R, etc... used to be high..

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    both formats have been out now for about 2 - 3 years and in the case of HD-VHS have a lot of problems .. both these formats will go the way of the DoDo soon i suspect
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  3. i've seen a preview of the D-VHS on tech tv. its crap. video looks better than PPV/Pay TV. theres a slim chance anyone will ever go back to any type of videocassette excluding their 8mm dvcam
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    well, my two cents worth is like this..

    If TV source (satellite for example) continue to lower their bitrate in order
    to squeeze in more programs (channels) oh, please correct me if i'm wrong..
    then what's the use w/ HD-VHS ??

    I already have a DV cam that I use for this nonsense already, for those
    digital back-ups and capturing projects.. as I use my dv cam as a miniTIVO.

    I have ben noticing that my satellite signals have ben slowly becoming more
    and more poorer in quality (though some channels are still using good quality
    in "some" of their airing)

    I'd like to know for sure, just what is it that they are doing, or is it a slowly
    becoming quality degrations due to more addition to channel line-up or
    whatever

    But, dv is pretty much all we need though. can't really see a D-VHS though

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    I wouldn't waste my time and money on Digital VHS and I think JVC released this format of VHS for some time. Anyway, videotape isn't the same as video disc.

    Better to concentrate on DVD and the DVD burner.
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  6. I didn't plan on getting one, just thought it was interesting. As a muscician I've wandered since the ADAT came out if they would ever do a VHS tape that was either digital, or at least had ac3 5.1 on it, then DVD got inexpensive and it became moot point. It was just weird that I was thinking about it the other day when I was cleaning up and came across a set of ADAT's of my former band's first album. So it kinda popped in my mind "Wonder if/Why a digital VHS" Then I see this. Yeah too expensive, but if it was as cheap as regular VHS it'd be cool for recording off digital cable. That way you could program the vcr go out and still get a digital copy of whatever then put on DVD later when you get the chance. But I'm plenty happy with my new S-VHS vcr I just got today. My old no namer died, ate my W/S version of Return of the Jedi 3 days ago. So, with nothing to cap from I was bumed. I went to the old Circut City today, and found a nice S-VHS Hi-Fi VCR open box for 76 bucks. It's a JVC I'm happy I mentioned it to mom with it just sucks that when I finnaly get enogh cash it'll be gone and the non open box will be over a hundred bucks, and well, mom really came through. Now I can cap again, and it has S-Video out, plus I can grab the Hi-Fi audio track when I do my Indianna Jones collection. It's great to be Mama's little boy even at 30 years old. lol..


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  7. vhelp

    I'm with you. I have DirecTV. 900 chanels. I don't get them all but, man... 900 channels through a little coaxle cabel. That's a lot of compression.

    It was fine when I had my 32' tube TV. Now that I have my 43" WS HDTV.... eewwhh! Some shows are one big blur.

    Sure I can get the HDTV setup. New dish set up to recieve 5 channels in HDTV, no thanks.

    Someday they will find that nobody needs 20+ news channels.

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    ... and infomercials on even good stations 12+ hours a day now ..

    i dont get it --we are paying so we can watch a commercial which paid to be aired ?

    but at least i know how to get rock abs and cook a roast 10 different ways now .
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    I agree that the problem is that the cable companies, espically Comcast Cable in Prince Georges County, MD do not care about video quality. Even their "digital" cable service is grainy. It seems as if you really want to watch high quality TV signal you need an antenna. I'm not sure how Direct TV or Satellite work, but I'm willing to assume that their signal quality is much better as anything I've downloaded (usually music videos) where the source was a satellite was always much better than any TV signal I get.
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  10. DirectTV generally has an excellent signal and they are starting to do more high quality (won't call it high def, because I think it isn't quite there, plus I couldn't tell if it was). I have both basic cable and DirecTV. We got the freebie movie channels when we signed up with cable and they have the occasional promotions. It is incredible how much better the satellite picture is. Yeah, you get some macro-block noise during a heavy rain, but as I pointed out to the cable buy when he tried to up-sell me the satellite still worked, the cable went out entirely.

    I think there is a market out there for high quality digital tape. I don't think digital VHS is it though. Other posters are right it's been around for a while. I still think if someone would release a consumer Digital 8 or miniDV vcr then it would sell tons. The only non-pro box out there that I've been able to find is the Sony Video WalkMan and it's like $600 with no tuner.
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  11. zzyzzx- Does Comcast out there air History Channel International, they don't here in Harford County and I have the History Channel on almost 24hour a day exept from 4am-6am. Everynight at 4am first its that damn TigerDirect infomercial for their Systemax DVDCreation Station, nice P4 2.6, but from hearing the guy talk you'd think its a cray supercomputer besides I wouldn't buy a systemax with stolen money. Then its foillowed by even worse Sharper Image's the Ionic Breeze Quadra. At least then it's over. Anyway thats pretty wild if you live out in PG county you are about 2hrs away from me I live in Harford about 30 minutes south of the Mason Dixon Line. Hey be glad you ain't stuck with Clearview My bro lives in Salisbury and thats all they get.

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  12. Originally Posted by BJ_M
    ... and infomercials on even good stations 12+ hours a day now ..

    i dont get it --we are paying so we can watch a commercial which paid to be aired ?

    but at least i know how to get rock abs and cook a roast 10 different ways now .
    LOL

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    Originally Posted by Quigonsean
    zzyzzx- Does Comcast out there air History Channel International, they don't here in Harford County and I have the History Channel on almost 24hour a day exept from 4am-6am.
    I would have to get "Expanded cable" to get the History Channel. I would have to get "digital" cable to get History Channel International.

    Right now I'd be happy if they would just get the color right. Half my stations are in black & white.

    And for $40-$50/month no way would I get the expanded basic or digital cable when I could get DirectTV instead (and probably hack it).
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    hi all..

    @ Marco33,
    yeah.. I have some issues on quality of DirecTV, that I've noticed for the
    last 2 years (though it was slow at first) now lots of channels are sharing
    the same fait. Anyways..

    What buggles my mind is, like yesterday, they were showing ER all night..
    and in Letterbox format. AND, in GREAT quality (though on the dark side)
    I coudn't get over how good the quality was.. then switch to another channel,
    and you've got pixels/blocks or, what I call, chizel-cracks or some form of slight
    color fade or washout, or color is sort of sunflare looking etc.

    The music channels are pretty clean, but some really fast framing are a bit
    blocky or chizeled too

    ..RATS !!
    But don't get me wrong.. DirecTV is still good quality.

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  15. Vhelp

    I was just thinking. I don't think I would pay extra to have a better picture. Like ... if they cut half the channels off their lineup to produce a better picture then, raise their prices.

    I guess I'm in the Minority anyway. Like I said. When I had my smaller TV I didn't even notice. Now that I'm in the Small %age of people that has a TV over 35". I'm screwed. That's not likely to change till all TV broadcasts goto HDTV (Projected 2006 or something like that) and the dedicated HDTV setup is affortable.
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  16. Vhelp and others,

    Its a fact that DirectTV and others are doing this on purpose. Quality is sacrificed for quantity so that they make more money. Its a good model for them cause as long as no one complains or if there are no consumer organizations that exist that have the power to make our voices heard, they can just roll out this crap more and more. They have no incentive to make it better cause there is no end user group out there that has big enough influence to even be heard. Its a travesty and I wish ppl would wake up quick and start demanding higher quality digital broadcasts and better technology for set-top decoder boxes or built-in tuners of HDTV ready TVs.

    No point for Digital Broadcasting if the compression is so shitty. No point at all. Oh, and DVHS Recorders are better then DVD's, no doubt. I'm not sure why mysticgohan17 said its crap. They probably were misinformed or did not see one hooked up correctly. Alot of reasons, but when I saw the JVC DVHS, it was a "perfect HD copy". Go see a demo for yourselves where a DVHS records from a HD transmission and connected thru component (Y, R-Y, B-Y) or S-video (Y/C) NOT the cheap dvhs models that only have composite. Maybe thats what you saw, mysticgohan17. But even with composite, it certainly would not be crappy.

    And the price of tapes is also misleading, you don't need to pay full price. Alot of ppl have discovered that all you need to do is drill a little hole in a specific place to make S-VHS tapes into Digtital S-VHS tapes. A little operation that takes 5 seconds to do with no harmful effects unless you are technically challenged.
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    i think we've been conned by the whole digital tv thing. before it launched we were told we would get hundreds of great channels, loads of interactive features and excellent picture qaulity.
    but what did we get? hundreds of channels we don't need! i have about 20 music video channels all of which have near identical playlists. how are we going to get "extra choice" if all the channels show the same thing?
    as for the interactive features(which i hear that you can't even get in america) only a handful of channels have them and you have to pay extra for a lot of it(because you need to hook up the digibox to a phoneline and dial up) what a rip off.
    as for the picture qaulity it's a joke- i mean on the music channels in particular, the picture breaks up if the screen fades! it's worse than svcd! the only good things about digital are the fact that there is no interference and no tuning required. but apart from that you are better off with analogue, as long as you get a good reception!
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  18. both formats have been out now for about 2 - 3 years and in the case of HD-VHS have a lot of problems .. both these formats will go the way of the DoDo soon i suspect
    Yep, I suspect not only with both methods go away like the dodo and megaladon, but VHS all together will soon be a distant memory. Having crappy VHS resolution with 5.1 surround would be like having a hand with only 1 finger. Any way you look at it, you will be missing out on alot. Seems kind of worthless to me.
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  19. I don't know about VHS going away anytime soon. It's too mainstreem for the average consumer to use a VHS to tape shows off of TV.
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    Originally Posted by Marco33
    I don't know about VHS going away anytime soon. It's too mainstreem for the average consumer to use a VHS to tape shows off of TV.
    not talking about vhs
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    I know, that's why I specified a "third" format, and then said "VHS" because I believe VHS will be a distant memory in the near future. I'm not saying tomorrow, but I suspect within the next 2 years VHS will be all but history. The "main" reason VHS isn't extinct right now is because of the recording of television.

    DVD Recorders are still expensive, but when the price drops, and I expect it to soon, people will start dumping VHS all together. The only small percentage that will retain VHS are the ones too stubborn and pissed that their multi-thousand dollar VHS collection is considered obsolete, and they can't face the truth.
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    Originally Posted by defense
    not talking about vhs
    I know, that's why I specified a "third" format, and then said "VHS" because I believe VHS will be a distant memory in the near future. I'm not saying tomorrow, but I suspect within the next 2 years VHS will be all but history. The "main" reason VHS isn't extinct right now is because of the recording of television.

    DVD Recorders are still expensive, but when the price drops, and I expect it to soon, people will start dumping VHS all together. The only small percentage that will retain VHS are the ones too stubborn and pissed that their multi-thousand dollar VHS collection is considered obsolete, and they can't face the truth.
    I think VHS is good another two or three years and be gone by 2006.

    Currently I am in the process of getting rid of any pre-recorded videos and the BETA tapes will be gone shortly and the VHS tapes soon after.

    I agree that VHS is good for TV recording for now and this is it. I am also in the process of transferring the BETA tape collection into VHS right now and keep for perhaps another 2 or 3 years.

    I no longer hire or buy VHS tapes and now almost dead. The DVD collection is getting bigger and bigger. This is what is happening the DVD is taking over VHS worldwide. Digital VHS is a gimmick and a waste of time.

    I expect to own a digital recorder sometime before 2005.
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  23. Originally Posted by BJ_M
    Originally Posted by Marco33
    I don't know about VHS going away anytime soon. It's too mainstreem for the average consumer to use a VHS to tape shows off of TV.
    not talking about vhs
    Not talking to YOU. Just cause your a Mod, You think everthing is about you. Mr " BIG STUFF". Who do you think you are.



    Ha, I love that bit...

    I was talking to Defense.
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    Originally Posted by Marco33
    Originally Posted by BJ_M
    Originally Posted by Marco33
    I don't know about VHS going away anytime soon. It's too mainstreem for the average consumer to use a VHS to tape shows off of TV.
    not talking about vhs
    Not talking to YOU. Just cause your a Mod, You think everthing is about you. Mr " BIG STUFF". Who do you think you are.



    Ha, I love that bit...

    I was talking to Defense. :)

    i was refering the thread in general and getting it back on topic . not your content -- thought that would be self evident ..
    who do i think i am ? well i guess a little more mature would be one area ..

    as for vhs - it is slated for continued production for at least the following 7 years min, prob more.. Unless sales fall to nothing, this will not change much.
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    Originally Posted by boss
    as for the picture qaulity it's a joke- i mean on the music channels in particular, the picture breaks up if the screen fades! it's worse than svcd! the only good things about digital are the fact that there is no interference and no tuning required. but apart from that you are better off with analogue, as long as you get a good reception!

    I agree. Just get a HDTV and move closer to town and use an antenna.
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    Chrisggs, i think the fact you're only now 'upgrading' from beta shows there might be life in the vhs dog yet...

    Cheap as it might get, it's still going to be more expensive than VHS a while. Think about it right now, are you set up to just go out and buy a new VCR? Some people can only just afford to buy one and then keep it til it dies (last 'real' house i lived in, shared accomodation, both TV and VCR were mid-80s... still tickin'). And think how cheap CD burners and players are, but tape still holds strong.

    I give it another 10 years!
    (maybe not much more though )
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    Originally Posted by EddyH
    Think about it right now, are you set up to just go out and buy a new VCR? Some people can only just afford to buy one and then keep it til it dies (last 'real' house i lived in, shared accomodation, both TV and VCR were mid-80s... still tickin'). And think how cheap CD burners and players are, but tape still holds strong.

    I give it another 10 years!
    (maybe not much more though )
    I did just bought a new cheap VHS VCR recently. The VHS is so cheap now, at least is so affordable for TV recording of shows so late or when I am out.

    The VHS tape is the only format to backup my Beta tapes and some of the musicvideo tapes have gone into the computer as a back up well.

    That new VHS VCR will be around a few years in my home.
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