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    I have an AMD Xp2100+ Processor running the stock cooling fan and it runs real hot if you let it!. Have put a Desk fan next to it blowing on the M/B and it keeps it at around 38-40c which is pretty good, however I really shouldn't need to do that. Anybody had similar experiences?
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    That's pretty cool, actually. My old 1.1Ghz thunderbird used to run about that hot. I overclocked it for years and it never gave out. AMD chips tend to run hot. The more I read about them, the more I realize how much heat they can handle.

    My MP 2000+ chips run at about 54°C, idle. If I put them under full load, they can occasionally creep up to 60°C.

    I don't remember the numbers off of AMD's website, but the listed safe temperature is something pretty high.
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    I have 2 AMD machines - a 900 and a 2000+. Measured teperatures never bothered me - I always made judgement based on stability (when all other possibilities are eliminated).

    Extremely happy with both machines, however, I have had cooling issues with both.

    For the Athlon 900 I went back to the store I bought it from and insisted they put a better cooler on it than the stock standard noname it had. This did the trick.

    For the Athlon 2000+ I have 2 extra case fans. One I had installed when I purchased it because I anticipated the problem, but still had heat issues. I opened the system up and found the PC d*ckheads who put it together had both fans blowing air in from opposite sides. Idiots! Need to have airflow across the components and try to ensure cabling ribbons do not obstruct. Mine makes sense to blow from bottom front as intake fan, to top-back as outflow (which is same direction as power transformer at the back).

    I added a second case fan for good measure because I had to bump up voltage to video card for stability when running UT2003 due to fault on early releases of my Gigabyte motherboard. Sounds like a jet engine when I start it up, but on the whole it makes a difference for everything except extreme summer days (when I take the case off).

    System is now as solid as a rock and as loud as a rock concert, but I'm happy. I have had literally dozens of PC's in my time, and these are now as stable as anything (work or play). Toms Hardware had a good article (ages and ages ago) on cooling and ensuring airflow is in the right direction etc. I think the AMD site had a picture of how it should all go as well.
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    AMD rate the 2100 up to 90 degrees C MAX but I guess no-one would want it anywhere near this. I have an 1800 which runs at 38-45 with a zalman flower which I do NOT recommend. Since checked various sites for better heatsinks and found www.silentPCReview.com and www.dansdata.com/coolercomp most useful. Also heatsink-guide.com
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  5. I don't know why people tell you your CPU is running to hot if it hits 50C. Don't worry about it, if you are using the stock cooler, the temps are usually around 55. The breakdown temperature for a amd CPU is 90C, but it the heat starts doing damage to it at about 85, so if your CPU isn't even near 70, don't worry. When it starts creaping up to about 70, start considering another cooler. Glacialtech makes nice quiet coolers which run around $10-$20. If you have an XP cpu and a motherboard that supports it, it will shut the computer down when it reaches a certain temperature, so no worries.
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  6. I have an XP 2000+ and my temps consistently run b/t 50-60C. Would a CPU fan upgrade help any, ie., a Glacialtech cooler? I was thinking of upgrading the heatsink, but really do not want to bother with messing around with that (afraid i'm going to break something in the process).

    Oddly, I have total of 4 fans in case: CPU (upgrade with the AMD chip--not sure who makes it), intake at front bottom of case, out-take at center-rear of case and of course, the power supply fan.. Shouldn't my temps be slightly lower?

    Could someone explain optimal placings of the fans within the case, please.. ?? Also, a good solid cooler aside from Glacialtech? Thanks!
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  7. as others have said your temerature range is fine... I had a Athlon 1200 that used to run over 50 degrees Cent.

    However I switched to P4 intel because I all the fan noise got old real quick. Having all that heat blow out into the room got expensive in the summertime (A.C.)

    Where I work we see Intels running much cooler with no extra case fans needed. Not overclocked of course. AMDs systems we assemble we install extra fans, and they make more noise, and put out more heat, and I suspect use more power, but I never checked that.

    And of course we have to constantly explain to customers that they are the ones that wanted AMD cpu's even when we explained the Intels will be quieter and cooler and that the AMDs need more cooling, (paraphrasing) Live with it.

    And of course I've never seen Intel chipsets that didn't work with all the hardware, whereas some of the chipsets used with AMDs seem to have problems with picky hardware... Sort of like the ADVC-100 not liking TI chipset firewire cards.

    I Sold off the AMD as it works fine, to finance the Intel... Upgraded my speed at the same time, Was able to set the cooling fans to their lowest speed extending life and reducing noise.

    AMD in my mind is like a noisy rough riding Hot-Rod, Intel is like a Limo...

    AMD = Less expensive for same performance. I also wonder if they can keep up with Intel for the long term given the disparity in the R & D budgets?

    Don't Flame me for liking Intel. I go by experience in a Computer store, The Intels seem to have better long term reliability (in years) for many that doesn't matter but many of our customers keep their systems for years.

    Last year we repaired 2 (two) 80386 based systems for customers, they didn't want to upgrade for their single DOS based program needs.

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    I water-cool a 2200+ and the temps go to about 40C idle and 50C under heavy load. I know it makes you wonder when you hear alot of people say that theirs runs at about 30C to 40C but they don't post what their room temp is and other factors. My temps are from about 80C room temp.
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  9. Basically, although AMD processors still work at higher temperatures it is inadvisable to have them running at anything higher than 50 degrees. Mine runs at 50 Maximum. If you are worried that your pc is running too hot (eg more than 55) them you can do one (or both) of the following:

    1) Buy a new heatsink and Fan. Buying a copper heatsink will dramatically increase the efficiency of the system, meaning that you can either have a medium power fan and get cool temperatures OR (and this is what i have) have a v quiet, low power fan (about 14 Cubic Feet Per Minute) which is near silent so i can sleep with my pc is on while i am encoding. miune runs at 50 MAX but usually 45)
    2) Increase the airflow in your case while using your current heatsink and fan combo. The heatsink & fan will work more efficiently when the fan is blowing fresh cool air onto the heatsink as opposed to air from inside the case which is already hot. To do this all that is needed is an intake fan (sucking/blowing air INTO the case, mounted at the bottom) and an outtake fan (sucking/blowing) air OUT of the case (many cases have a space for this fan, it is at the back of the case just below the PSU)

    Both of the above will cool your processor, i recomend solution no one as it is easier and you benefit from a much quieter PC!

    Bullworth- firstly it is impossible to cool your CPU to a temperature below that of room temp (assuming that your radiator is in the room!) You are either getting confused between degrees C and degrees F OR you are defying the laws of physics!!!!! If you have done it i have 2 friends who would be very interested to know (mr Newton and Mr Einstein, along with every person with pretty much any grade in physics in the WORLD!!!)

    Secondly if you have bought a water cooling kit and you are getting temperatures of 50 then you have been ripped of or you havn;t installed it correctly. Thirdly if your room temperature is 80 degrees C then other parts of your electronics in the PC would go wrong and YOU would not survive in that kind of temperature!!!! if the human body's temp increases above 37 degrees c then you would feel very ill, anothying above 40 and you would go into a coma! you wouldn;t beable to do ANYTHINg in a room at 80 degrees C!!!

    You must be gettin confused between degrees c and F, although i fail to see how as if the temperature is being measured in degrees C then there will be a little C next to the figure!!!! it aint too tricky to read!

    Oh, and the reason ppl dont quote their room temp is because, unless stated otherwise, room temp is considered to be about 23 degrees C!
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    Tom's Hardware rated the AMD stock cooling fan "just fine". It works, no need to use some $40 addon.

    However, most cases are NOT Rated for Athlon's (1800 and above). Why? Dinky 300 watt supply and none or one case fan. I run 2 case fans, and a card slot fan. My 400 watt supply sucks air like a turbine engine. I run round cables, so the air flow isn't interrupted. I hit about 45 C while encoding, 40 C on idle. I was hitting 60+ C encoding in my old case (generic mid-tower) with 1 case fan.
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  11. I have an overclocked XP2400 T'bred, and I use an SLK-800 with an 80mm fan and Arctic Silver 3, and my temps never rise over 45 celcius, even under full load.
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    How are you guys measuring CPU temps? I just found out that the reason my athlon 800MHz has been crashing for the last month as soon as i try to encode is because the CPU fan was not working. I bought a new video card because i thought the old one was causing the problem. When adjusting the CMOS for the new video card I noticed that the tab to enable the CPU cooling fan alarm was not checked. I checked it off and immediately received a warningupon rebooting that indicated CPU fan failure. I bought a new fan the computer hasnt crashed since.
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  13. Originally Posted by Bullworth
    I water-cool a 2200+ and the temps go to about 40C idle and 50C under heavy load. I know it makes you wonder when you hear alot of people say that theirs runs at about 30C to 40C but they don't post what their room temp is and other factors. My temps are from about 80C room temp.
    If my room temp is 80C, my machine temp will be 80C, even if it is not powered on.
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  14. Just did a Athlon 2800+ Barton core retail box today in an asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard 1 Gb DDR cheap case (customer wanted that one) 400 Watt PS room for three case fans...
    Temp ran @ 55C sitting in the hardware monitor of the bios... with no sides on it.

    Nice MB tho, Nforce chipset, Firewire, 6 USB 2.0, 2 IDE, 1 Floppy, DOlby audio, Serial ATA Raid, Reasonble price.

    Anyway as I say it was idling at 55C.... Dang AMDs, wish they'd use lower power and second dislike, Why not have a larger surface for the heatsink to contact that isn't so fragile.

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    I have an XP 2000+ and my temps consistently run b/t 50-60C. Would a CPU fan upgrade help any, ie., a Glacialtech cooler? I was thinking of upgrading the heatsink, but really do not want to bother with messing around with that (afraid i'm going to break something in the process).

    Oddly, I have total of 4 fans in case: CPU (upgrade with the AMD chip--not sure who makes it), intake at front bottom of case, out-take at center-rear of case and of course, the power supply fan.. Shouldn't my temps be slightly lower?
    Your computer is running fine. Its not needed to upgrade. I think you set up the fans incorrectly. If you have four it shouldn't be at 60C. Remember more isn't always better, because some can counter-act each other. First the ones that are in the front of your case should be intake, the ones on the back should be exhaust.

    Glacialtech makes some decent coolers and it should help reduce temperatures if you are running the stock HSF. Here is a review of HSFs, http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cooling-systems/socketa-coolers-massive-shootout-f...2k3-part5.html.
    If you really want to cool your system, get a Thermalright SLK-800, and pair it up with a 80mm fan of your choice. Remember, higher rpm=cooler=more noise.



    Basically, although AMD processors still work at higher temperatures it is inadvisable to have them running at anything higher than 50 degrees. Mine runs at 50 Maximum.
    Thats not true, AMD's stock fans frequently run the cpu at around 55C. Now think about it, would AMD be stupid enough to pair their CPUs with Inadequate cooling when they have a 3 year warrenty on it?
    AMD's have a max of 90C, you shouldn't start worrying unless it hits 70C.


    And of course we have to constantly explain to customers that they are the ones that wanted AMD cpu's even when we explained the Intels will be quieter and cooler and that the AMDs need more cooling, (paraphrasing) Live with it.
    AMDs generally run hotter because they do not have a built in copper heat spreader(intel's CPU and AMD's new Opteron has this). However, the included HSF will do fine unless you are overclocking. Why are you concerned if your AMD runs a little bit hotter than an Intel. As long as it works right?
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    Thanks for all the tips everybody, however the reason I am worried is that when the temperature gets high my system gets unstable. I was rendering a movie and kept getting the blue screen of death on it- now with the big fan blowing in it is stable as a rock- It must be admitted that I do live in an area of the world that has been known to get fairly hot during summer but it does not look very good having the sides off and a desk fan blowing in. Do you think water cooling is the best way to go for the value for money, or just a bigger heatsink with more fans?. The big problem is I have an older cheaper case I am using and there are not many fan mountings in it.

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    My XP 2200+ runs a little too warm, even with the tons of case fans. But as I understand its because its the first run 2200+ and the ones after mine run cooler.
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  18. People think watercooling is much better than air cooling because its water. Truth is it really isn't. There is more maintainece involved in watercooling. You have to be careful that all the tubes are actually shut, and you can't use regular water, you have to use either distilled water OR some special liquid that is sold. Also you have to clean the filter every couple months and check for bubbles in the tube. Watercooling temps are usually around 40C. The benifits of watercooling is little to no noise and you don't need as much system fans. To get 40C usually people have to use 7500rpm fan, LOUD. However, regular air cooling will do, if you buy the right equipment.
    Make sure your case fans aren't counteracting each other first, and make sure you have at least 1 exhust fan in the back of your computer case. If you do want a cooler CPU, get a heatsink that can support a 80mm fan that is made of all copper or aluminum with a copper insert. Thermalrights SLK800, SLK900, AX-7, Swiftech MX462, and Alpha 8045 are some models you can choose from. There are others, but these seem to be most easily found. Make sure you get the AMD version(or Intel), and get a 80mm fan of your choice. Remember faster=cooler=louder. Or you can get one of those Variable speed fans, they cost a little more but you can change the speed manually or set it to change its speed if it goes above a certain temperature. You have to use care when installing these because some are heavy and you don't want to break the core of your CPU. You can get some thermal interface material to cool the CPU even more, Arctic Silver 3 is the best kind. They have instructions of how to use it on their site. You have to clean you CPU before installing any of this stuff I mentioned.
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