NEW TYPE OF DVD COPY PROTECTION QUESTION

[hawthorn]

I have just been informed by someone, that there is a new type of copy protection, that supposedly when you try to backup a dvd with this new protection, it will break you dvd drive and lock the dvd disk in it. But when you just watch the dvd it won't do harm. What I'm wanting to find out, is if ANY ONE out there, has heard of this protection and if this protection means that it will stuff both a DVD Burner up and a DVD Rom Drive, but if you are to rip the dvd using say Smart Ripper to your hard drive, to make a VCD rather than DVDR will it still stuff your dvd drive?

SO IF ANYONE HAS HEARD ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THIS TYPE OF COPY PROTECTION, OR HAS HAD ANY BAD EXPERIENCE WITH IT, POST AND LET ME AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE CONCERNED KNOW.

thanks in advance.

[baker]

this is silly as copying dvds isn't illeagel and if a dvd destroyed your dvd burner you could well possibly sue the companie.

Baker

[hawthorn]

I Guess it is to stop people copying hired dvd's as unless you own the original dvd, you are not legally aloud to make a copy of it. But I agree it sure is silly.

I heard it from someone who owns a video shop, and they just got notified by the dvd company after they complained due to a customer coming in complaining after they had hired a dvd, and then returned it late due to the fact that it got stuck in there dvd burner and then on top of that it stuffed the burner.

So it does sound like they have made this copy protection, so perhaps the dvd's that get put into shops to purchase, may not have the same copy protection as the dvd's that are given to hire at video shops.

So once again if anyone has had something happen or can help with the initial question, please add more posts, as I am interested to see if it stuffs it when the dvd's get ripped rather than copyed to dvdr's.

[dcsos]

Are you looking for response?

It doesn't seem so...
Baker Told you its not possible

And I'm telling you the same..
Now Stop posting about this imaginary scheme unless you have more hard evidence~!

[Karate Media]

this is silly as copying dvds isn't illeagel and if a dvd destroyed your dvd burner you could well possibly sue the companie.

Baker

Although I doubt that there is such a protection on DVD yet, I must questions Baker's line of thought...

What about those Celine Dion CDs killing Mac drives? As far as I know, no one has successfully sued anyone over that. There is definitely a precedent for a company to create a DVD which would have some sort of copy protection similar to what Sony used.

Copying DVDs isn't illegal, per se, but circumventing copy-protection is, Under the DMCA. And beyond that, I don't think that any company is legally entitled to distribute their material in a copyable format -- they could distribute Spiderman on a digitally encoded bagel if they wanted to... It's just that no one would buy it.

So..."no" on hawthorn's theory, but "no" on baker's theory as well

[K2]

It would quite easy to do. PC and MAC have a autostart function intended for CDROMs but work as well with a DVD in a computer drive.
They would only have to autostart a destructive program. Your computer would be software crippled while the standalone DVD player ignores these files.

Most people do not know how to disable this feature so it would be effective.

Legally ? It works correctly in its Intended use, a DVD player.
They can claim you used the product in an unauthorized and unintended way.



Makes you think.

[arcorob]

It would be easy to do.

Just set a piece of the DVD to run a FLASH> to the drive. If the movie detects it is being extracted or run from other than the disk ....say this way

PLAY VOB
check for disk sector 123
If sector 123 not found then
Run check valid
else
Play Movie

Check_Vaild
Run a series of disk checks
If no valid sectors found
then run FLASH RUIN
else
Sector found okay
Play


Small piece of code imbedded ? Not ? Well then how do those stupid Intervideo things detect your playing on a DVD in a pc and want to install a player.

[Karate Media]

This is a really good article on Sony's CD protection scheme:

http://macopinion.com/columns/curmudgeon/02/05/28/

"Celine Dion Killed My iMac!"

It covers the "data jumble" that freezes computer, and has some interesting takes on Fair Use, the Red Book standard, etc..

I don't own a Mac, and I am not familiar with the author of this article or any of his other work, but I've been recommending this article for almost a year now. It's not definitive, but it's an interesting read.

[sammie]

I've seen at least one recent disk that appeared to be trying the old trick (been around since floppy disks) of putting errors on certain tracks. Standalones are designed to just skip over certain errors if they can, which is the correct response. If you are using a ripper, the ripper is desinged to keep trying to read the error. This does give the appearance of "locking" the drive. It doesn't really, just wait, it will stop after a set number of trys and ask you if you wat to retry, cancel or ignore (just select ignore and things should be fine).

Will this wreck your drive? It probably isn't good for it, but unless it's about to die anyway it probably shouldn't offer any permanent damage, just a bit more wear and tear than usual. I presume, rather quickly that the ripper programs will learn to just skip over the sections too, if indeed there is a new scheme and the problem isn't just poor manufacturing.

[Athlon]

this is silly as copying dvds isn't illeagel and if a dvd destroyed your dvd burner you could well possibly sue the companie.

Oh really ???? that realy depends in what country you live. In the USA it isnt against the law if you own the original, in the UK it IS breaking the law if you own the original or not

[Nolonemo]

Oh really ???? that realy depends in what country you live. In the USA it isnt against the law if you own the original, in the UK it IS breaking the law if you own the original or not

Not quite right for the USA. Technically, yes you can make a copy for personal use if you own the original. But if the DVD is encrypted, as most commercial disks are, you would have to break the encryption to do that, and breaking the encryption is illegal under the Digital Millenium Copyright Protection Act or whatever it's called.