Which is the best encoder out of these two... ???

[JennyBear]

Cinema Craft Encoder SP or TMPGEnc...

I would love your opinions...and price doesn't matter. Please, do share your thoughts...thanks.

Jenny

[SVCDummy]

TMPGEnc

It is about the same speed when you factor in the fact that you don't have to do the triple pass (like in CCE) to get the same or better quality output with TMPGEnc

[billson]

Not sure what you mean by 'best', but i prefer tmpeg simply because ive never been able to figure out how to use cce properly. But main concept might be my new tool of choice since im an impatient lil monkey and want everything done now....like...NOW

[thefox149]

I use both I use tmpgenc for VCD and CCe for Mpeg2...

CCE quality for me is fantastic Depending on the source sometime I use the anti noise sometimes but I always put the motion slider to 10.

CCE for mpe gives me almost NO blocks...

I have noticed though also tmpgnec makes the colour a bit washed out as opposed to the same settings used in CCE but I could be setting that wrong.

Use both if money is no problem

Ohh by the way don't let CCE encode the audio and frameserve with avisynth or frameserver of your choice (avisynth is heaps faster but a little trickier to learn but you get the hang of it I only learnt it the other week now everything I do is avisythn scripted)...for some reason it messes it up ....eg I spent 8 hrs encoding a file ...but no audio file was created.....so what I do is I let tmpgnc convert my audio for me ...then use the tmpgenc tools mux the files and hey presto perfect synced video for my vewing please....

[Craig1394]

Even at it's optimum quality settings, TMPG is inferior to CCE.TMPGenc produces blocky compression artifacts where CCE is perfectly clean.Granted, the artifacting is not as bad as MPEG 1 VCD's, but I would not trust TMPG with anything other than VHS conversions to DVD. I have used TMPGenc at various bitrates from 4000 to 8500 Even at 8500 Tmpg was noticibly inferior to CCE.Now, if you are using source from satellite, DV tape or Digital Cable, i'd stick some money away and save up for CCE.

[Hardcoreruss]

I always go for tmpgenc, but that is probably cause I think it is much more user friendly

[marvel2020]

OH NO!!!!! HERE WE GO AGAIN


Another which is best forum.


Just use the dam search engine will ya, and you question will be answered.

[DJRumpy]

SVCDummy, Multipass is an option in CCE, just as it is an option in TMPGenc. CCE also supports 1-Pass CBR, and 1-Pass VBR (CQ) modes as well (just at TMPGenc does). The difference being that CCE will finish the encode in a 10th of the time it takes TMPGenc using the same settings. CCE is superior in both quality, and speed. CCE also has not limit on the number of passes you can utilize with Multipass VBR (the basic package only supports two passes like TMPGenc does).

CCE used to get slammed for MPEG-1 quality. However the newer versions don't exhibit any problems, espeically when the correct matrix is selected.

It does not, however, offer many filtering options. Some minor noise reduction, which appears to be pretty much useless. If you plan on using CCE, you must be familiar with Frameserving (preferred), or you have to doctor your AVI's before encoding (in VirtualDub for instance, saving a new avi and then encoding that avi in CCE). I prefer frameserving, and filtering on the fly, and skipping the additional avi. Your mileage may vary.

In CCE Expect VCD's to encode somewhere around 7-10 minutes per disc. SVCD takes about 20 minutes a disk. DVD encodes at around 1X playback speed, so the length of your movie will pretty much indicate how long it will take. On my PIV 2.4Ghz, DVD's encode at 1.2X plaback speed, meaning an hour of video will encode in about 50 minutes.

After you've done the 'all night long' encoding method of TMPGenc, CCE is a breath of fresh air. I'm also hearing the Main Concept encoder is making great strides in both quality, and speed.

[Xesdeeni]

And the new CCE Basic version (http://www.cinemacraft.com/eng/ccebasic.html) is only $58. It only has a few limits relative to the $1950 SP, including that it only supports up to 2 passes, doesn't allow changing the matrix, and doesn't have the advanced bit distribution.

Xesdeeni

[DJRumpy]

Ugh..the ability to change the matrix is kinda critical if you want good encodes at varying bitrates. I wasn't aware that they had taken that out. I wonder what Matrix it uses?

[Xesdeeni]

Yeah, but it isn't too difficult to search the binary for the matrix (I won't tell you where I was or why I did just that 10 years ago ) and replace it. I've already seen requests for such a utility on doom9.net.

Xesdeeni

[DJRumpy]

Thats a strange move. Even TMPGenc will allow you to change the matrix. I wonder what the reasoning was behind the move? They must realize that as digital home video, burners, dvd media, etc., all become more popular, that more and more applications will be available to do what theirs does. They will have to lower their price to compete, or they'll simply be shut out. I'm guessing the advent of the Main Concept encoder, and the growing popularity of TMPGenc plus it's official shareware status forced the basic package to begin with. Strange that they would remove a function that TMPGenc includes.

[videocheez]

Where can I find out tips or guides on changing the matrix?

[DJRumpy]

On which encoder?

[videocheez]

On CCE and what parameters can I affect by changing the matrix?

Thanks,

[DJRumpy]

You'll find it under the Video settings. You have 4 pre-built choices.

Ultra Low Bitrate
Very Low Bitrate
Smooth (CG etc.)
MPEG Standard
Standard

The docs say you should use Ultra Low for anything averaging below 2000Kb/s, meaning it's an excellent choice for VCD. I suspect that the bad rap CCE got for MPEG-1 and VCD had to do with the wrong choice for the Matix.

Very Low Bitrate is for MPEG's averaging between 2000, and 4000. I use this matrix for SVCD. Use Smooth for Animation/Computer CG type video.

The two 'standard' choices are fine for day to day high bitrate encodes. From what I gather, the 'Standard' is actually for highest bitrate averages. I never use 'MPEG Standard', as it seems to be a combination between low and high bitrate matrices. It would probably be fine for standard movie type input as well. Maybe someone here has experimented a bit. It's hard to tell at DVD bitrates, as your approaching 1:1 copies of the source material at 9.8Mb/s.

[2573]

procoder.