How to make a HQ back up of a multi version disc - Update v.2

How to make a back up of a multi version (multi angle) disc v.2, while keeping menu, (some) extras and keep the option of using the best encoder available.

This short/small guide is my own experience with a multi version disc that just wouldn't back up (or off) but since I'm me, failing making a great back up wasn't an option.
So I just had to make it work....

Tools used
1. DVD Decrypter
2. CloneDVD
3. DVDReMake
4. DVD Rebuilder (free)

This is how you back up even the most impossible (multi verion) discs

DVD Decrypter - Folder 1: VIDEO_TS - Prepares the disc for processing
1. Strip the original disc to the HD using DVD Decrypter (Removing macrovision, region code etc)
2. Chose which version to keep (You can't have more than one)

Using CloneDVD - Folder 2: Clone - Removes the unwanted version(s) and extras
3. Load the disc into CloneDVD.
4. Chose what to keep CloneDVD. (Remember to leave out the unwanted version)
5. Chose output size larger than the project (No compression)
6. Run the Clone

Using DVDReMake Optional - Folder 3: DVDReMake - Removes unwanted extras and warnings
7. Remove unwanted extras and save the disc

Using DVD Rebuilder - Folder 4: "Name of movie" - Makes an excellent Quality back up
8. Load the DVDReMake content into DVD Rebuilder and cook it.

Now this is how you make a High Quality back up of an impossible multi version disc including Wedding crashers: Uncorked but remember, you can ONLY chose the one version ..... but let the one you chose be in excellent shape :P

I'm working on pictures.

Version 2 update.
I ran 2 more (alternate) back ups and it shouldn't be necessary to run IfoEdit although you may still do it in case of Layer breaks but I removed it from the guide. This speeds up the process and makes it very easy to do.

Please post dvd backuping in the DVD to DVDr forum. Moving you.

The Pro (payware) version of DVD-Rebuilder allows you to keep both angles.

If you're going to be removing one angle, then freeware programs can do the job as well or better than the 2 payware programs you're recommending.

Instead of CloneCD to remove one angle, use PGCEdit.

Instead of DVDRemake for removing unwanted material, use PGCEdit together with VobBlanker, or just VobBlanker alone.

Sorry for the misplacement but I didn't know where to put it and I still don't know where it's moved to

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Too much work

If you're happy losing the menus and all extras, keeping the movie only, then I guess your method is OK. And if the movie requires shrinking, and you don't mind using DVD Shrink for the job, then I guess your method is OK.

Some of us are a little bit more particular about what we keep and what we throw out. And some of us wouldn't use Shrink for shrinking a movie, no matter how high the percentage. And some of us have different definitions of what is too much work.

Originally Posted by poonaner

Too much work,

With AnyDVD Running...

Open DVDShrink, it shows the different title angles, choose the one you want to use.

Re-author removing subpictures and unwanted audio tracks.

Burn with ImgBurn.

Just seems like a lot of work to achieve the same thing.

This is very much not the same thing. DVDShrink is very low quality and you will not keep the menu and (some) extras. DVDShrink isn't an usable option.

Originally Posted by manono

The Pro (payware) version of DVD-Rebuilder allows you to keep both angles.

If you're going to be removing one angle, then freeware programs can do the job as well or better than the 2 payware programs you're recommending.

Instead of CloneCD to remove one angle, use PGCEdit.

Instead of DVDRemake for removing unwanted material, use PGCEdit together with VobBlanker, or just VobBlanker alone.

Sorry for the misplacement but I didn't know where to put it and I still don't know where it's moved to

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Yes but DVDReMake makes blisters in the picture from the angles option, which is why I had to remove the Ilvu pointers in IfoEdit, but you can choose to encode the entire disc but with a 7-8 Gb disc it's to much compression.
I didn't find a way to keep more than one angle, sorry.

blisters in the picture from the angles option....

please explain this. i have no idea what you mean by this. what is blisters in the picture? never herd anyone say that.

Yes but DVDReMake makes blisters in the picture from the angles option and you can choose to encode the entire disc but with a 7-8 Gb disc it's to much compression.
Isn't an usable option.

Yes, you didn't make much sense there. Did you mean to say DVD-Rebuilder instead of DVDRemake?

If you did mean to say DVD-Rebuilder, then you should know that the original size of the DVD, and the percentage of compression doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not it can be reencoded with good quality. Also, for many DVDs, the second angle often adds very little to the overall size. Sometimes, as with Disney titles, it's just credits in one or 2 other languages. Or in other cases, it's just a few minutes of extra footage. In most (but not all) cases, the extra footage, or the different footage, found in the other angles, won't make the difference between a good quality backup and a not-so-good quality backup.

But that said, I also usually remove other angles and leave just the one I want. And I don't use any payware programs to do it.

I didn't find a way to keep more than one angle, sorry.

If you're talking about DVD-Rebuilder Pro:

Full support for video interleaving (ILVU) - re-encodes angle and seamless branching.

http://www.jdobbs.com/Pages/DVDRebuilder/DVD-RB_Adv.htm

Originally Posted by stackner

blisters in the picture from the angles option....

please explain this. i have no idea what you mean by this. what is blisters in the picture? never herd anyone say that.

It's a disturbance, something that shouldn't be there. This particular disturbance is pixeling just when the angle choice comes up. DVDReMake (Pro 253) in particular merged the movie parts, so instead of having one 1H 50 Min movie and one 2H 01Min, I had one 2H 10Min movie and it was all messed up.
I checked my dictionary and the word is in there

tried dvdremake pro 3.5.3 ? i dont know if the problem is fixed but thats a very old version.

Originally Posted by manono

Yes but DVDReMake makes blisters in the picture from the angles option and you can choose to encode the entire disc but with a 7-8 Gb disc it's to much compression.
Isn't an usable option.

Yes, you didn't make much sense there. Did you mean to say DVD-Rebuilder instead of DVDRemake?

If you did mean to say DVD-Rebuilder, then you should know that the original size of the DVD, and the percentage of compression doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not it can be reencoded with good quality. Also, for many DVDs, the second angle often adds very little to the overall size. Sometimes, as with Disney titles, it's just credits in one or 2 other languages. Or in other cases, it's just a few minutes of extra footage. In most (but not all) cases, the extra footage, or the different footage, found in the other angles, won't make the difference between a good quality backup and a not-so-good quality backup.

But that said, I also usually remove other angles and leave just the one I want. And I don't use any payware programs to do it.

I didn't find a way to keep more than one angle, sorry.

If you're talking about DVD-Rebuilder Pro:

Full support for video interleaving (ILVU) - re-encodes angle and seamless branching.

http://www.jdobbs.com/Pages/DVDRebuilder/DVD-RB_Adv.htm

No I know the extra angle doesn't use much more space but the extras do and I needed to get rid of some of it and since my version of DVDReMake (pro 253) appearently dislikes multi versions, I had to make the input work first and the only workable option was to keep the movie in a straight line (No Ilvu/angle pointers).

And I do use the free version, for now anyway.

i would still suggest go download dvdremake pro 3.5.3 (latest version)

Never mind

Originally Posted by stackner

tried dvdremake pro 3.5.3 ? i dont know if the problem is fixed but thats a very old version.

No I haven't tried the new version and I'm probably not going to but maybe the problem is fixed with that one but my encoder still can't handle multi versions, so I'm back to basics on that, sorry. My non-pro version is 146 and I still use that as well.

u have a pro version so its a free download/upgrade to the latest pro so i dont see why not. but good luck anyway.

I ran Wedding crashers: Uncorked through PGCEdit and Del_Angle but it didn't work. First off Del_Angle didn't recognize the angles on the disc and gave me an error.
IfoEdit also didn't recognize the angles but recognized the Ilvu/angle pointers.
So I had to delete the extra angle before the processing and then remove the Ilvu/angle pointers later on.

I know the latest DVD Rebuilder pro supports multi angles and the latest DVDReMake may support it as well but there are some other problems with the latest DVDReMake, problems that actually goes way back, so I had to use the non-pro 146 DVDReMake for doing Wedding crashers: Uncorked.

So some software might work sometimes and be better than what I recommended here and I agree that using only DVDRebuilder Pro + DVDReMake pro (Latest versions), will for most users be the absolute best solution but I'm me, I don't "settle for", I want the gold medal and this guide WILL work, when others might fail.

One advice I got from these problems resulting in this guide. Old small apps, always keep them, they might come in handy as newer versions appearently can fail.

Oh I forgot.... The DVDShrink solution will never, in my world, be an acceptable solution. If you want to shrink stuff, DVDRebuilder is the only way.
You may do a movie only extract from DVDShrink but DO NOT shrink the thing, chose "no compression" and do a rebuild using DVDRebuilder (Pro/non pro, doesn't matter) afterwards but I like to keep the Menu and some extras, especially deleted scenes, so the DVDShrink solution is still a "no go".